spirulinagalaxy: maybe k is arguing that it is not *realistic*
unicorn: I don't think you can stop applying moral standards to people just because it's not realistic that they'll live up to them, that just gets you some kind of determinist anarchy
some kind of determinist anarchy: and really isn't that what we're all here for
unicorn: no!

It's like

If someone had to volunteer to be tortured for the rest of their life or else 10 other people would have to, would you be mad at them for refusing?

unicorn: there are consequences, to being murdered, other than "not yourself doing/encouraging murders",

I'm confused, i don't see how that contradicts what i said

Did you misunderstand what i said

spirulinagalaxy: you were like "if you had to volunteer to suffer [x] so that ten other people wouldn't have to suffer [x]" and unicorn is saying that is not a good analogy for "if you had to volunteer to suffer sexual frustration or not even that, just trying to slightly reduce the body count here, so some number of other people wouldn't have to suffer being dead"
unicorn: if you - yeah that thanks spy

It's not JUST about sexual frustration

I have FEELINGS

I am LONELY

Or, well, I was

And now I'm having sex and also feel beautiful and valuable

She doesn't say loved because she knows it's kind of sort of maybe not 100% true and winces internally at that.

And idk maybe I can get her and some of the goons to play board games with me which you guys never would

It's easy to talk about how other people are obligated to make sacrifices for the greater good when you got everything you needed in life just handed to you

Mezzopiano: this again!
unicorn: now that you have been kidnapped to the land of having what you want in life maybe you can spare anything for some light antimurder in your spare time

If you're making the analogy I think you're trying to make I don't see how taking some time out of your day to play board games with me would completely ruin your life the way refusing to be with no because she happens to kill people sometimes would 

some kind of determinist anarchy: I don't think anybody's trying to tell you to break up with her
some kind of determinist anarchy: since you kind of probably can't
spirulinagalaxy: yeah just like, express an anti-murder sentiment if the topic comes up
unicorn: my analogy was not attempting to be about board games at all and I'm bewildered now

What was it attempting to be about?

unicorn: bleah never mind I'm going to go water the tomatoes

anyways like

murdering people is kind of like, her job

like it's not like she could just quit and go work at costco or something

spirulinagalaxy: oh it's her JOB. she gets paychecks from the murder factory. I see I see

I mean like

The money for all the food and goons and shit has to be coming from somewhere!

spirulinagalaxy: is she an assassin? is she just a robber bandit? how would murder lead to money here??

She looks up from her phone and at Mo. "Hey babe, can I ask you a really dumb question?"

"Sure, shortcake."

"How do you, like, make money?"

"My cherry cordial, I have made four hundred thousand dollars at this very convention so far."

"Doing what?"

"Well, the short answer is 'networking'. I sell people things I make. A lot of my lab work is filling orders. Today in particular I've sold somebody a noninterference agreement, collected my annual protection money from a couple smalltimers, had the goons deliver some decoratives and some ingredients and some plasmids to people who are more convenient to reach here than in other circumstances, closed a deal on the tuna..."

"Ok so like, the killing people part does factor into it, at least partially."

"My capacity to kill people far more often than actually doing it! Most of my killing people is when they pick fights. I got my fight-picking over with when I was younger, personally, though some people will take any little thing as a provocation."

yeah turns out she sells stuff she makes but also collects protection money which does in fact hinge on her willingness to kill people even if ideally she doesn't have to actually do it

categorically sufficient rabbit: when the police can't, the mob will
spirulinagalaxy: robin where did THAT come from
categorically sufficient rabbit: tumblr