"I guess." Vanyel stares down at his hands. "...What do you think it'd take, to persuade him not to invade Valdemar." 

" - some other way to build the god, probably?"

"Hmm." Vanyel takes a deep breath, then sits up straighter, squaring his shoulders. "I guess I should try to help him think of one, then. That...seems a lot better than trying to Final Strike him and not even accomplishing anything because he's immortal." 

" - yeah, it really does. You could - ask him what he's tried. And Golarion magic might change his options."

"Mmm." Vanyel seems to be trying hard to consider it, for a few seconds, and then his expression sort of crumples and he half-turns away. "It's not fair. It's - I can't possibly teach him anything he didn't already think of - I wish I just had to Final Strike him, at least I know how to do that." 

"There are admittedly a lot of other people presumably working on it? If you'd rather, uh, run an orphanage, that seems - fine -"

"He's my destined enemy and all, I think I have to do something about him." 

"...you mean you think your gods will be mad if you don't?"

"No, or that isn't the point, just, it's my duty to Valdemar." Shrug. "I guess the Foresight dream didn't know you were going to turn up. Maybe it's pointless for me to do anything now that there's enough else going on."

"Maybe your gods will send more detailed instructions now that the situation has changed?"

"Given that no one even knows which god made the Companions, I - kind of doubt it. I sort of wish I could ask -" 

Vanyel breaks off and doesn't complete this sentence. 

She notices this but doesn't comment on it. "It's weird to me that people don't know what god it was. That's not usually how it works in Golarion."

"I think the way it is in Golarion seems weird to us! We're, um, used to gods being very mysterious and not just up and talking to people or letting them do miracles on demand." 

"I mean, they don't talk to most people. But their church can serve them better if they have any idea what they're supposed to be doing."

"Honestly I'm not sure how much our gods care about the temple orders that worship Them. ...I guess the Star-Eyed really does have Her people serving Her, fixing the Pelagirs and all. And She does talk to the Tayledras, well, sort of. My friend Moondance gets weird premonition-feelings from Her." 

"And your gods basically pick clerics, except the thing where they pick every mage in the country is weird, I don't know what they get out of that."

"That's the Companions, unless you think they're getting secret instructions. And...hmm. I think they - maybe don't want a lot of mages running around doing whatever they want? Or, it matters more that mages get good ethics education, because we're powerful, and - for the same reason we can help more people." 

"It makes sense to want all your mages under control of the church but it suggests their constraints are different than Golarion gods, who couldn't choose every sorcerer even if they wanted because they need people to be - close enough - I guess they mostly don't pick kids and maybe it'd work fine for a god to pick kids. - maybe it happens somewhere and I just don't know about it."

"Close enough how? That - makes me wonder if any of them'd be able to pick me." From Vanyel's face, he would be kind of relieved if the answer were no. 

"You have to be within an alignment step of them? I think there's more to it than that, I'm lawful evil but I still could be the wrong shape. But at minimum you have to be within an alignment step, that's a hard limit."

"Do people here even have alignments the way people in Golarion do? I don't know how I'd know what mine was, we - don't really have the same concept." 

"I'm not sure. I could reinvent the spell for it - probably should, it'd be informative - but I haven't yet."

"Mmm. I'd be curious." He frowns, thoughtful. "You said Leareth isn't Good - are you figuring he'd be Evil by this, even though you're claiming he wants to help people?" 

"Probably. It's still mostly true that if you are trying to do anything big or meaningful you're Evil unless you're - going specifically far out of your way to do it in a Good way."

"That seems like a bad system? I - feel like when I say the word 'good', I just mean things that make the world better? And if you can make the world better in a big meaningful way, that seems like it should be more Good than doing it a little bit, not less?"