malduoni learns about some suspicious otherworldly visitors
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<Is it legal to rape people if you drug them first?>

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" - no but you might get them pregnant. And drugging people isn't entirely safe."

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< - huh. Those would be objections an Andalite might have but they would not be the only ones. I am interested in whether most humans feel like you about this.>

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"I don't know. I can't ask them about Yeerks without a lot of context and if I ask them about raping people they will be worried about what I'm up to."

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<Once Yeerks are public knowledge we will probably get to see a better range of human reactions to them. An Andalite who learned a Yeerk had been in their head, even if the Yeerk hadn't hurt them or directly used the information to hurt their interests, would feel - like a thing that they could have reasonably expected to be safe was not safe, and they will never correctly feel safe again, and like they broke promises they made to keep secrets, because those secrets became the possession of a third party, and that memories they enjoyed alone are now someone else's property and poisoned by it, and lots of different harms in that genre. And if they don't find out then I think this wrong has still be done without being learned of, like I don't cease to care if my cousin is dead or alive even if they've been deployed across the galaxy and I'll never find out.>

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" - I guess if there is nothing wrong in the world those seem like things people might care about because they needed something to fill the time. - when I learned there was a Yeerk with me the whole time after I was kidnapped, just not controlling me until the right moment, I felt some of those things, but then I decided to worry about more important problems like the thing where they were going to enslave me if I didn't manage to talk my way out of it."

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<Yes, I think often illegible harms are not an immediate priority in an emergency. I do not think that makes them better to inflict, though.>

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"It was still way better than the being interrogated under a geas."

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Tail-swish. <Maybe geases are also gravely immoral.>

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"I don't think you can reasonably expect him to not do anything when it might not be too late to save his wife!"

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<I am sure I cannot reasonably expect him not to do this. That just - also doesn't make it less bad for the people experiencing it.>

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"Are they the only one whose feelings count, here -"

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< - yes. Their safety and wants and experiences, and the strategic considerations. If you start conducting interrogations with your own satisfaction on your list of goals you have opened yourself up to some very bad errors. If Aroden is a god fighting a war among gods he can handle his own feelings about them himself.>

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"I'm curious how Andalites read. For alignment."

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<We seem to vary in the neutral, lawful neutral, neutral good, lawful good corner.>

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" - huh. Alloran is Evil."

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<...he murdered millions of people. Thankfully the number of Andalites complicit in that can be counted on one hand.> His hands have six fingers.

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"And - none of the rest of you are Evil?"

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<None of the selection we have here. The pharaoh found it very interesting. It seems that in Golarion it it quite hard to keep nearly everybody out of Evil. My best guess is that slavery is Evil and beating your wives is Evil and oppressing your peasants is Evil and perhaps the killing of animals for food is a little Evil and once societies have solved aging and material scarcity they will nearly always be not Evil. But it could also be a species difference.>

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"Lots of people don't have slaves and don't beat their wives and - I guess they eat fish or meat, but hunting's in Erastil's domain - and they're still Evil."

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< - oh, in Cheliax in particular your money supply is backed with damned souls and the trade in damned souls is Evil, and there's various other stuff in that genre. In other countries, it's quite rare to get sorted Evil, though not rare enough to not be a moral catastrophe.>

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"I see. Does Osirion keep statistics."

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<They're at about ten percent. They think slavery is contributing, and are phasing it out on those grounds. It had not occurred to them that domestic violence might also contribute until we suggested it.> Tail-flick.

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"Well, that's Osirians for you, they don't think women are people."

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<I think the problem is more structural than that but yes, there is a remarkable blind spot involved.> Pause. <The pharaoh proposed that I consider women's rights proposals for him and he consider Yeerk-related issues for me.>

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