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Oh good, it sounds like she chose correctly.

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If she was upset about people being completely needlessly fed to wild beasts for the entertainment of the masses she'd find Republicanism pretty terrible, but she doesn't care so she finds it great fun.

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This is embarrassing. Maybe there's hope of pointing out to Cerdanya later that whether or not the bill he intended was incredibly Evil, the bill that actually passed definitely was and the implementation will be moreso and perhaps that should be a lesson for future Urban Order proposals.

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...At least they don't have to actually sentence anyone to the gladiatorial games.

"The amendment passes. 

Next, we are voting on Delegate Ibarra's proposed amendment to require all criminals who are sentenced to any form of execution to be executed by Final Blade if there is one in the city where they are sentenced, unless it can be incontrovertibly proven that they could not possibly be Lawful Evil or the Queen orders otherwise."

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For!  Some nice easy Goodness he can show off to the judge.

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Against! That one guy did a GREAT job repenting as far as she knows, and if he did as far as he knows too he deserves the Judge's mercy!

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Jaume would rather like to be able to prove that he's not Lawful Evil any more one of these days but most people are not going to be able to do that. Against.

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The Final Blade is all well and good when someone wants it but if they don't that's what Nirvana lawyers are for. Sometimes they probably get somebody, and the proportion of people who can be thus got will hopefully go up over time whereas the proportion of people who can prove anything about their alignment won't really.

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Jofre's kind of dubious about Final Blades in the first place, against.

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It's not that Jonatan isn't sympathetic to the perspective that many criminals are too stupid to decide for themselves whether to accept the Final Blade, but this amendment would completely undermine the rest of the law. Against.

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Does opposing Pharasma’s rules count as unlawful?  If she loses her law she loses her cleric powers if she hasn’t made neutral before that.  She isn’t sure…

Abstain.

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If you pass this rule you can't make criminals fight lions! Against!

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How many people is she willing to deny paradise to save some from Hell? Does the Church have a formal answer to that question? ...she suspects if they do she'll disagree with it, actually -

 

If you told her, when she went to her death, that it was a coin flip between Axis and Hell, she'd take that coin flip over the Final Blade.

 


Against.

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Oh no, she doesn't have any idea how she's supposed to feel about Final Blades. The man who proposed this was one of the people that the priestess of Iomedae denounced, so maybe she's supposed to be against it? Except it turned out that the priestess of Iomedae wasn't supposed to say that at all. Abstain.

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Weren’t they letting people pick before?  She can’t prove she isn’t lawful evil but she thinks she’s might be clear and might want to risk the Judge.

Against.

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Against. Obviously.

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If somebody wants to put off the Creator getting around to them for a few hundred years till all the Final Blades explode or get turned inside-out or are kidnapped by aeons or whatever, that's not high on Ester's priority list, but if somebody stands willing to get where they're going she cannot possibly countenance stopping them!

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Final Blading people who didn't ask for it is sure a way to make it so nobody with reason to have you on their shit list is ever given further opportunity to think about that. Fucker. Against.

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Are people not even getting a chance to speak on this one? ...she's going to have to go make an annoying procedural point afterwards, isn't she, but this isn't going to pass - is it - should she jump the line, is that even allowed -

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He almost votes against simply because it was Ibarra who proposed it, and a continuing sense of dismay on how the vote on the lions amendment went, but he should do his duty and actually consider it. It is flawed in that someone known to Evil but not Lawful will still be sent to a terrible afterlife, but he doesn't expect there to be that many denied Elysium due to it. The Blade is also remarkably efficient; even if they have to execute a hundred people in a day, it could stand up to it, and so it won't cause logistical problems.

Will it make the bill more or less likely to pass? This seems unlikely to matter. He probably couldn't sink it now even if he wanted to, now that the people know that the people want lions.

It offends the Judge. But it is not her that he is trying to emulate.

Bleh. In favor.

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Against. Most people are Evil but that's no reason to require the Final Blade.

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He is strong enough to detect. It seems like that shouldn't matter, on a question of policy, but somehow it's the main thing on his mind, that there's a way to not reach Hell.

It's contemptible how long it takes him to focus. Against.

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