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This is why republicanism is a terrible idea! Against!

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Wow, everyone is really excited about lions. Jofre's watched a guy get eaten by sharks but it was sort of hard to see since it was... in the water... maybe it's actually great fun to watch if it's lions. He won't begrudge the pro-lions folks, he supposes, he's been a criminal most of his life and it hasn't escaped him that someone could conceivably make Gozreh illegal again, but everybody's gotta go and lions sound less bad than burning.

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Gladiator games are almost as stupid as the theater, but stupidity for poor people instead of for rich ones. Honestly, all of the proposed laws on punishment seem kind of weak? The most important thing by far is which things are death penalty offenses, which none of the proposals address. But as long as you don't maledict someone it's, what, a couple days of suffering at most? How it happens seems much less important than whether it happens.

But everyone willing to work with her deeply wants things to be quick and painless, so fiiiine, against.

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Man, he could really go either way on this one. ...Abstain.

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Kicharchu does not want lions to eat people. Those people are perfectly good eating and he doesn't see why the lions should have any. Against.

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Gladiator games are very stupid, and she can't bring herself to vote for them. But the amendment also makes it more likely that they'll get some real law and order in this country, if it helps pass the main one, so she can't vote against either. Abstain.

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For! Why ever shouldn't they have proper arena games? Absalom will always have the best in the world, but they can have a good try here.

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Against. The incentives are all wrong; if you need to keep lions a particular amount of hungry and sell tickets to people who expect blood, then you have every reason to oppose a finding that overturns a conviction, or to pressure law enforcement and the judiciary to produce more condemned.

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Well, at least this one isn't complicated.

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In favor, he supposes. Republicanism.

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Blai considered going up to say something about torture in case it would have mattered but all the things he could have said got into a free-for-all brawl in his head and none of them were left standing by the time he would have had to decide. If there were some way to know in advance what was going to come up he could compose something in advance and then if necessary ask a paladin to walk him up with their aura on so he could execute on the preplanned speech, but it keeps being a surprise.

He's against lions though.

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Juan is almost certainly voting for lions, but that's not actually a reason to vote against!

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If they can be persuaded to use local animals for gladiatorial games, then the very stupid populace could be educated about the dangerous beasts in the wild that wish to eat them. Importing lions in particular is pure stupidity, but the idea itself is the sort of thing that makes civilization look better upon druids. Or at least respect that the woods hold beasts that can, and will, eat them alive if they piss it off too much. For.

(But seriously, go with wolves instead.)

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Is there anywhere that doesn't do this? In Favor.

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If we aren't writing a constitution at least we can have people eaten by lions.

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Nuria has been paying attention to the Condesa's face, and as she votes, (in favor) it's clear she's going to have to find out how much lions cost, as soon as possible. 

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Some people just really don’t see the appeal of sitting in a hot, crowded arena and watching people getting eaten by lions. 

“Against”

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Passes, 305-161, with significantly fewer abstentions than the last vote.

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Did it occur at any point to anyone planning the convention that a body of largely Evil people, many of whom are fundamentally confused about the nature of Goodness, was likely to write Evil laws?

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Feliu said the point of having nobles is to fight monsters. Did all the Evil nobles vote for that just so that they could get out of being punished by killing the lions?

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