"Yeah. And Melian's kind of sketchy even by default, a summary of Evil Noldorin Politics looks very different from one of standard-issue but a summary of Melian is similar in all cases..."

"Yeah. And Elves were a ton worse by Cuivienen, which is maybe attributable to Melkor tampering more subtly than just 'abductions and torture' but still, the Valar's unhelpful tampering was a reaction to a population already appalling by our standards..."

"Do we have Evil Early history about Cuivienen, like, at the very very beginning before Enemy tampering would have gotten anywhere..."

"We could give eidetic memory necklaces to the people who first awakened but we don't currently have anything of the sort."

"So that's how we check up on the it's-all-the-Valar... Last time I talked to Cam he was muttering something about gene testing..."

He glances at his screen, pulls up the memo. "No results worth mentioning yet, I guess. 

If it's genetic or environmental in the sense of being tampering that happened in the past, then it's not contagious and the best thing to do might be to disperse the population between here, Shine, and Vanda Nossëo, hope they learn manners from exposure..."

"Well, it might be culturally contagious, but I do like to think that not being evil can win out consistently if we stack the deck enough."

"You'd think. The orcs have been a problem for their neighbors, but if we distribute them right we can outnumber them by a lot, keep them supervised at least temporarily - what are we doing with my alt if we decide to try to dilute out evil Arda..."

"Yeah, Loki was complaining about that, she thinks Shine orcs will help with the outnumbering. Didn't ask Midnight about his immigration policy..."

"You can also tell Loki the Orc nations here can probably absorb some, we've got a billion and they're used to bringing you all from the Iron Age Ardas up to speed because they adopted Men when Men first started.

Immigration policy? I think we snatch his people out from under him, I'd hesitate to ask mine to go live in his kingdom."

"I'll pass it on - are you imagining emptying the place?"

"I'm tempted. At least for a few centuries while everyone absorbs better cultural mores."

"Or gets more competent therapy, or - but they're not going to want to leave, is the thing. I'm not sure how much they'll absorb like that."

"Not going to want to leave out of loyalty to my alt?"

"He is not impaired in loyalty-accumulation. At all."

"...are you thinking what I'm thinking-"

"The Fëanor's here already. If Finwë's reembodied here too - should be possible to pick off a couple of my alt's brothers, and  a lot of other people's have divided loyalties - Maedhros considered how to wrest power from our father if necessary, at one point, it would have been really hard -"

"...I don't completely follow..."

"My alt's king of the Noldor by virtue of his father and grandfather being dead. Once they're back it's a more ambiguous situation. 

And in particular several of my brothers are loyal to my father, not me, if you made them choose."

"So - give various Evil Brothers bits of Vanda Nossëo such that anyone who goes and lives with them there is constantly rubbing shoulders with non-Evil Elves?"

"It might work. We need evil Fëanor on board but he probably wants his sons closer and catching up on tech.."

"How evil is he, I was told that he'd probably hate Bells if he met us and may already hate us based on secondhand reports and I should probably not say hi without a really good reason."

"He's - my father, except more vindictive, and with the standard-issue Feanorian complex about people trying to keep us harmless and helpless and small. He'd have been a disaster during the war - my actual standard father was very nearly a disaster during the war - but he's not, like, a rapist and he doesn't habitually torture puppies or anything far as we can tell."

"And Bells I take it represent attempts to keep him harmless etcetera."

"You've got it. Someone with a functioning Tyelcormo should probably have the two of them talk."