He does not look like this makes any sense at all to him.

"I assume that is not how it was put to you when you were taught the subject. It's just what it felt like."

"I see. I don't - quite know how to map that to the way I was taught the subject, but - perhaps I am not meant to."

"Maybe he's talking about gains from trade? If he originally thought that if you make a coat you have a coat and it is worth One Coat -"

"- oh. Oh, yes - that things in the right hands are worth more, that things don't have a value but a value-to-people that depends on whether people want them -" He definitely said that but admittedly he was saying several things at the time and some of them weren't very diplomatic.

"That, yes, and - spare time, to make more things in -"

- nod. 

"Is that all you wanted to know?"

"I wanted to see if you'd try again. It probably won't work, almost never does in the first place, but if Abadar happened to be able to tell us what is going on in Cheliax to make ordinary people evil enough for Hell it might be useful with Carissa."

"I can try. He wouldn't have just - already told someone if he knew?"

"Probably He would have but - maybe not if it wasn't very important because no one could do anything about Cheliax? And - that might be different now."

"All right." Kyeo kneels again and attempts to contact the god of two and two making five with this question.

Nothing happens.

"How long does it make sense to keep trying?"

"I don't know. Probably if He knew and wanted to answer He could have done that immediately."

"Okay, I'm sorry."

"'s not your fault at all. Who knows what gods want."

"Yeah, it was a long shot. I do really want to find out, though, I think if we don't know what specifically Carissa needs to repent of I have to convey an entire working implementation of Good to somebody who thinks that torture is fine as long as it's for a reason like nonconsensually turning people into devils. Today we got as far as 'maybe not if they'd rather not exist instead'."

"I mean, maybe thinking that ...counts as Evil."

"Pharasma doesn't usually hit people for thoughts or you couldn't get criminals into Axis by sending them to monasteries!"

"I think the idea is that over time being in the monastery you not only stop doing bad things but also stop having most of the thought-patterns that go with being a criminal, like noticing opportunities to do crimes or to conceal crimes or to hurt people and get away with it. I don't know if that's the actual mechanism but the assumption isn't that only action matters, but that - shaping actions tends to also shape thoughts."

"I feel like it is probably harder to change your mind about Good when they just kidnapped you and are threatening to kill you."

"It does not seem the optimal circumstance for a sincere change of heart even if she suddenly figured out what a sincere change of heart is."

Kyeo is not sure why this conversation is happening in his room but he's curious about how Carissa's doing so he's not going to object.

"I did ask the paladins about the slavery solution and as predicted they were not all right with it."