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Yep. Wonder if that's related to how we all die...

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Let's plan on having you not die.

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And stay dead, apparently. I don't think I'd take to it.

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I could still talk to you, but it would still be a pretty impoverished existence.

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And I don't think the prophecies account for you.

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Yeah - like, why would we not have immortality generally available by then -

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Well, it's also possible my whole family dying occurs in some catastrophe much sooner than that which sets back immortality - but still - is invading Valinor something Earth might do under sufficiently catastrophic conditions -

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"Earth" per se probably not, some country of Earth it's not inconceivable but it would be very weird - especially over immortality, like, currently you have that and we don't have it scaled but we're the ones who could scale it with resources we currently have -

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Over anything, we can expect Eru to react the same way -

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Humans are not a peaceful species but do mostly respond to incentives, there would have to be something somebody wanted that they thought they could get that way...

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Well, maybe we should publicize that what they probably get is genocidal retaliation.

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...don't think so. Sounds kind of empty and Eru's not going to turn up and verify her proclivities.

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It'd be a pretty ugly thing to find out by trial and error, though. Maybe we need to be very very careful with the portals.

 

And collect more lousy local prophecies.

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How do I go about doing that systematically?

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Not sure. I can ask people to tell you but it'd either have to be limited to very discreet people or we'd have to expect the Valar to find out eventually.

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Would the Valar be less likely to find out if people were telling me that they would tell me in forty-five minutes...

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I don't think so, the challenge here is that I can't call everyone in one by one and ask them to keep a secret without word getting out that I was doing that, if not of the content of the secret - though I guess we could check, for every single person, what they'd say if I did corner them -

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It'd get kind of intractable...

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Do some people get more of these things than others in a way that narrows it down -

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Yes, no one I know well gets any because if you'd act on it you won't get it and I tend to surround myself with people who'd act on things. We just need to find very passive people who wouldn't be moved to action by anything they might get a vision about. Fancy a trip to Valimar?

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You make it sound so appealing.

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And I can't just give secrecy orders left and right, there. We can at least ask some people here - I have a baby cousin who gets terrible nightmares, which is almost always prophecy among Elves -

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Poor baby cousin. - I wonder if they'll stop if the contents are averted.

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Good question. ...should we be more emphatic to my mother about not making them gems?

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