"Maybe the words on the cards just happen to be concepts we can call on."

"Yeah, but calling upon them as those concepts is valid, whereas it may not be for some other concepts."

"Right yeah. This magic seems pretty—versatile? There don't seem to be any obvious limitations."

"Fortunately," says Theo. "Might be able to pivot from something like disease to something more general, if we can get 'continued regeneration' or something."

"Other than, like, the cards and stuff there doesn't seem to be anything permanently magical, though."

"Not that we've seen, no, but they were presumably made somehow. Or maybe we'll just gradually make everyone into sorcerers, if we find a way for that, and teach them stuff like this?"

"I just mean that there may be some other form of magic we're missing—there's the scrolls, there's spells, there's your blurry thing and my shape thing—and none of it seems to be able to produce anything permanent so there could be other things."

"The scrolls themselves might be permanent, when we put magic into them? But we haven't tested that and I don't think there's a fast way to do that."

"Hmm, yeah, true, maybe it's just a matter of writing something... Kero is there anything written on you?"

"...no?"

"The scrolls themselves haven't done anything magical themselves, so I'd expect another step anyway…"

"Do you remember anything from when you woke up, when you were made? – I assume you were conscious immediately after but I guess that might not be the case, and it might've been a slow process."

He furrows his brows, trying to remember. "I was awake as soon as I existed. I... there was a circle? On the floor? And lots of stuff around, like books and plants, and there was some smoke."

"So it sounds like there was more to it than just paper, probably some ritual thing? Could be a specific format necessary, could be a way to have the components interact properly?"

"Maybe if you charge up a scroll enough you can make small things permanent, do bits of a larger thing."

"Like what?"

"… Do the small magical bits of, like, a winged talking bear, or small magical bits that can produce him."

"I'm not a winged talking bear in my true form!"

"You appeared in your true form? … Is there anything written on that?"

"I did! And no, I don't think so."

"Any other information you have about your creation process?"

"I don't think so."

"– This thing is sort of about symbolism, it seems, calling upon concepts and stuff, so it might be related to certain other thematic things. Any chance you recall the date, the year, what phase the moon was in, anything like that? And, you're Sun-related, right – are you related to any of the sub-elements, like Firey, or just Sun overall?"

"I'm Sun and responsible for all Sun cards. I will get my true form once you capture the Earthy or the Firey. I don't remember the moon but it was noon. I remember the day, though."

So Tyler gets that from him and checks what phase the moon would have been in on that day.