"Yeah, his Findekáno and his children can definitely ask him to live they just - probably won't, if they actually love him."

Nod.

"I suppose as long as we expect this result anyway we could see what happens if we put him near Elspeth first."

"Whether he becomes convinced he's not in Angband, you mean?"

"Yeah."

"May as well. I'd say 'hey, send him to Materia, see if he can do anything about the possible Morgoth' but I doubt he'll agree to anything that runs that high a risk of being tortured."

"Ugh, I don't even register sending people to Materia as an option -"

"I occasionally fantasize about sending Midnight! Tamer and less likely to leave me a wreck afterwards than sending him to Angband, which I fantasize about more rarely. 

- think Boots can help -"

"With the new you? She'd - try, but - I'll suggest she consult with never-gave-his-name when she's bringing the comm ball, maybe they can tag team something - how did a you manage to raise someone who does not introduce himself -"

"A me probably raised someone whose name is known throughout the land. Also I bet you Macalaurë did all the parenting and I just taught them politics."

"Mm." Loki writes Boots a priority note.

"Mm?"

"Gem didn't make it sound that way but whatshisface could be eliding over something like that, conceivably, but it is not obviously likely to me."

"Why don't we delay bringing the new alts back for a while, consult with him, figure out what we should be trying to achieve -"

"Yeah, sounds like a good idea. Seven thousand years a few more days in Mandos won't make a difference. Should I append anything to Boots's message?"

"If she wants to try with one of us now'd be the time. I guess."

"Hasn't even gotten around to Kib yet, he keeps putting it off."

"Yeah, it's kind of terrifying. - I'm honestly not that invested in this. it's probably for the best that that alt of me die. His life is not endurable and it's not doing other people any favors. But Boots can try to do her thing."

Loki amends the note.

"We should grab his Findekáno, that might influence what outcomes it is even a good idea to try for -"

"Yeah. - unclear if whatshisface knew about that, didn't mention it even when Gem said who Joy's married to so probably not I guess."

"Findekáno was dead by then, so I can't imagine how it would've come up."

"Suppose."