"...again?"

"The next-oldest Arda's sun has been around for less than four hundred and fifty years, for reference."

"Wow. Okay. We need to get my dad, I don't know what year everything happens in. Lúthien defeats Sauron and sings his fortress to the ground and rescues her boyfriend from it and then they go off to steal a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown so they could get married. So you're capable of it in principle, even if you haven't done it yet in your timeline."

"It's probably much faster and easier to do it with otherworldly magic than to send Joy into single combat or whatever." Sort of nice to know the crown thing is not just him having something against me personally?

Yeah, actually, it is. Also sort of nice to know that I can take Sauron in single combat even if we're definitely not doing that.

Without even being a magic rock. "Otherworldly magic requires as an ingredient somebody who super wants Sauron dead and feels very strongly about this. I can go get somebody with this property if necessary."

"Everyone super wants Sauron dead. Why don't you come meet my dad and then we can find the person who wants Sauron dead most - probably is my dad, actually -"

"Okay. Although my alt might be annoyed with me if I don't let her Maedhros do it, come to think of it..."

Blink.

Several more blinks. 

"...ssssorry can you maybe back up a bit -"

"Lots of worlds, oddly many of them are Ardas, all at different times, this one is way oldest, lots of me but none of us are from Ardas originally we just keep landing on them and changing things, and one of my alts has killed a couple Saurons with a magic item only she can safely use and is annoyed that she's never found a way to let her Maedhros kill one?"

"And in this world Maedhros is the most infamous war criminal in history."

"This being some special non-Ainur category of competition, I can only assume."

"Yes. Still was a pretty crowded field of competitors, back in the First Age."

"Well, that's not as surprising as I wish I could claim it was but the others are all well before that point and thoroughly derailed therefrom."

"Yeah but still - there are people here who watched him kill their families, he murdered my grandmother's parents and siblings in front of her and then murdered her in front of my dad and his brother and then kept my dad and his brother as hostages for a decade - it is maybe not a great place to bring Maedhros. Even one who hasn't done that yet."

"I will not invite any of 'em over to your house for dinner or anything."

"Okay. Do you want to come meet my father? He'd be eager to meet you - he never met his you, Lúthien, you were dead -"

"- what, and stayed that way, or just Valinor continues inaccessible...?"

"Stayed that way. Her husband was human, and died, so she died and went off and pleaded with Mandos to bring him back. So Mandos returned them both to life but when they died again they both went on to whatever fate humans have."

Huh, a story with Mandos in it that doesn't make me want to purple-energy him in the face.

Told you I was pretty sure I could talk him around. Though I'd hope I'd do it on something more important than returning my boyfriend to life. Maybe we had a plan to take Morgoth.

Maybe. We should generalized-death-solution this place and ask her. "Anyway we'd be happy to come meet your father. I'm Bella, by the way, but call me Gem, some of my alts are also named Bella."

"Nice to meet you, Gem. And an honor, of course, Lúthien." And they will lead them off around the lake!

What a pretty lake. "So where are we?"