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I don't mean it's dangerous. It's–
It's like if Fëanáro were going to keep repeating Alqualondë until stopped, and Artanis had to side with him anyway or let the Enemy win.


It is an effective idea and you should do it, I'm just taking the downside more personally than the math warrants.

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I understand. I'm sorry. 

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It's fine. Priorities.

A much funnier option, I remember people saying Valar have hundreds of times the attentional capacity we do. Is that literal hundreds, or is it actually millions? If we can dispatch enough practitioners to add up to a decent fraction of that, there's a stupid trick I need to show you.

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I think it's hundreds, millions I'd expect to look very different. Why?

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You can summon a practitioner. Just call their name, say you're summoning them. They get an unpleasant feeling, jerking them toward you until they answer or cut off the connection. It's not so strong people can't work through it, but very distracting. Nobody does this. There are better ways to communicate even without osanwë, and it's really impolite, but it's not hard.

If we have dozens of people summon the Enemy from a bunch of different places, he's stuck constantly hanging up on us.

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Pfft.

 

I love it, but is it likely to provoke him into acting out?

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Maybe. It's very literally asking for it. But whatever he's got shouldn't be worse than what he'd have after any amount of time spent not being distracted.

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Okay. We can set up a rotation, or ask my cousins if they'd like to - we're going to need to collaborate closely with them on this anyway -

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Are we? I mean, we could, probably should so it's not just our practitioners sinking time into it, but what happens if we don't?

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Not with annoying the Enemy, but with any kind of plan to sink him with karma, yeah.

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That.

I played down the ancestry part when telling them, so they'd contribute to it getting less important. Maitimo will probably figure out that me emphasizing individual personhood means the rules aren't immutable.

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I should probably just talk to Maitimo.

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Would that be relevantly better?

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Resentfully letting things slip to them seems like not the best possible relationship to have for something that's going to require their active, informed participation. 

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It's just that if he figures it out, their faction might have different ideas about what changes need to be made. The telling them about the Enemy's new problem is unambiguously good.

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You think we'll successfully go thousands of years without him figuring it out? While we're trying to use it to sink the Enemy?

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For sinking the Enemy we're relying on it not changing, the mutability shouldn't be obvious based on that?

But yeah, when you put it like that it sounds pretty inevitable.

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So we need a working relationship with them that's not 'they pretend everything's all right, spy constantly, sell us out at will; we use their notes'.

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You're not wrong, but that sounds hard to establish. What with the selling out being very much a thing with or without working relationships.

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Yeah. I'm not sure what to do about that, except be cleverer than him, and -

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The other option is to make up for that by keeping all the information asymmetrical, but of course that's what the Enemy would want us to do.

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Yep. Also we are not really very good at it, are we.

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Nope.

Maybe we could get some mileage out of the whole "no one is harmed by sharing strategically relevant information" thing he used to want. Since this is very definitely a case of that.

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It's worth a try, at least. He doesn't still claim to want that?

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I didn't ask, but the Doriath stunt was at the very least not prioritizing that.

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