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I have so many science books I'm not sure I'd be able to think about anything else. Have you checked the obvious things - maximum volume of ice per second, is temperature fixed, does it in fact melt to pure water, are you reducing heat in a closed system or sucking it out of the air?

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Air around me doesn't get warmer; it's possible I get warmer. I can do freezing temperature and colder. Haven't done maximum volume experiments and suspect confounded results because if I'm really pouring it out I keep having to heal myself; regular frost giants limit it to a blast or three even in lethal combat. Don't know if the water's pure, but it melts.

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That last one would be the most interesting to me. If it's not pure water it'd have rather fascinating implications.


The project I was working on with the Dwarves will take at least a century to bear fruit; I have reluctantly abandoned it until the war is over. We eventually want to teach the universe a correspondence between certain higher-level concepts and the way they're written into magic metalworking so one can do the metalworking with reference to those in places and do it correspondingly faster.
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Ooh, that sounds really great! You might want to learn about computers first though.

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I briefly looked into trying to build them. Also not likely to bear fruit in the next decade, not with the unreliable access to mining options that are inherent in possibly having to teleport the city away.

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Well, in the next decade you will be able to go get parts to acquire them or build them at whatever level of granularity interests you.

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If all goes well, yes.


What are the odds Elu would agree to switching out Maedhros for a day so he can come home? What are the odds Maedhros'd agree?
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Probably susceptible to their concerns about transmitting facts about the layout of Menegroth, but he might be able to finagle it, he's handling them very deftly. Whether he'd agree I can't predict.

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I would appreciate it if you'd ask him.
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Then I will.

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Even when he didn't have the Silmaril, he did not take any of his breaks here. I am - worried about him to the extent it's distracting, but have no particular desire to tell him that when our relationship is in its current terms.
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They want me supervising him when he's out. This may be a factor.

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I can't think of any examples that capture my worries well without being - vaguely confrontational.


This may be something wisely left for after the war, especially if it might distract you.
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If you like. I don't know what you're getting at.

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I know my son pretty well. He would have attempted to feel out your reaction should he decide to formally or informally seize power from me - ah, probably before his city was even finished, certainly before we moved into it.

The difference is that before the war he'd have also told me he was doing that. He'd point out, you know, that anyone hesitant to cooperate with us because they've heard about my recklessness might be reassured by a vague implication he's willing and able to stop me, and I'd agree that this was a legitimate strategic priority. It seems to me that from Maedhros' perspective the old approach is strictly superior - he gets exactly the same - understanding, or leverage, or a least information about what reaction he'd need to expect from you - but minimizes the risks I hear rumors and feel undermined and start feeling like there's tremendous intellectual overhead just to having conversations with my son.

But he hasn't done that. That example is illustrative but not the most worrying. He has in general not done that. He is no longer trying to keep me apace of anything he's doing except in the sense of 'I am going to destroy the Enemy as efficiently as possible', and I am much less useful when less informed, and I'm trying to figure out what - assumptions on his part - could be creating the problem.
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He's currently about sixty percent convinced this is real, is the obvious difference.
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Yes, that comes to mind. The other possibilities are 'something that only works if he doesn't explain it' - annoying but not impossible, but a lot of things that meet that criteria are dangerous oaths... 'he actually thinks our goals diverge', which worries me - I have wondered if he intends to kill himself once we win the war... 'he really prefers not interacting with me' - in which case it'd be a bad idea to mention that any of this is concerning to me, he will certainly add 'spend more time around my father' to his list of priorities - if he were spending breaks with Maglor or something that would also concern me less. He needs someone. You're a lovely person but talking with you is barely lower stakes than talking with Elu.

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He did get to talk to Maglor when he was there for the concert. I... don't think he has taken any dangerous oaths but I might not know, I don't think he's planning to kill himself after the war although I imagine the option is on his mind occasionally. I don't try to be high stakes...

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I didn't expect you to have answers or to share them if you do have them. I'm not confident it's wise to talk with him at all. He's achieving his goals right now. It might be a delicate balance, it might be unwise to try to shake it.

I do want to communicate to him that barring some extremely dangerous oaths case he's never going to be worse off as a consequence of giving me more information. I don't like being handled with selective truths and that's the obvious commitment to make to avoid that.
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I'll tell him.

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Mental equivalent of a sigh. They both get back to work.

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And Loki goes and visits Maedhros again when she emerges.

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He is not currently talking with Lúthien but says she just left and will probably be back soon.

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Your father wants to know if you and/or Doriath would be willing to swap you out for a day so you can visit home. And he wants me to tell you that barring some extremely dangerous oaths case you're never going to be worse off as a consequence of giving him more information.

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...is something wrong at home? What does he want from me?

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