"Are you expecting to find enough to make up the difference? If it's anything like the ice continents back home that's not remotely a safe bet."

"We are expecting to die by the thousands, honestly."

"Irissë and Findekáno said. But they also said everyone involved knew the risks and made their own choice, and it's not as if the reasons weren't understandable."

"We have, and we have very good reasons. I'm not angry with our leadership for taking this course, I'm angry that we were left without better ones."

"The people who left you without better ones did expect you to turn back, from what I've heard, and wouldn't have done it if they knew how you defined better." No need to mention that it was Fëanáro who said it.

"Oh, he just wants us dead and wants it to happen in a fashion his father would forgive him for. I am sure he had an explanation otherwise, but he's not stupid and he has known us for centuries and we were in any event very clear about our intent."

"If this was a calculated attempt to kill you, it can't have been a very calculated one. It wouldn't effectively kill any particular person he wants dead, and it wouldn't kill everyone. He'd have to want to do as much damage as possible without caring about who or how angry the survivors are."

"I didn't say he was good at thinking ahead."

"That'd be less a case of not thinking ahead and more a case of not thinking at all. And you did say brilliant."

"The Ice might be deadlier than we think, or the conditions that meet us on the other side might be."

"And if he's counting on that then he's thinking much further ahead.

I'm not trying to defend the boat burning. Except to say that it doesn't sound like premeditated murder."

"Yeah, that was Alqualondë. And his attempt on the King's life back in Valinor, I suppose, and who knows if there've been others."

"Alqualondë was premeditated? I thought we were only mostly sure they even started the fight.

Though apparently dividing up murder into types is something the Enemy used as an accusation against humans, so I might be the only one here to care about that distinction."

"They started the fight. They charged civilians in armor with weapons drawn, they might have expected surrender but they definitely started the fight."

"Did you see that? Because that doesn't sound at all easily mistaken for an unprovoked attack by the civilians."

"I grew up in Alqualondë, my friends and cousins died on that beach, and it is being mistaken for an unprovoked attack by the civilians only because my lord cousin Findekáno does not really want to admit to himself that he helped his cousins carry out a mass execution."

That isn't a yes, but maybe try not cross-examining the recently bereaved on exactly how much of the mass slaughter she saw. "I'm sorry about your friends. 

Are you planning to try for revenge, or grit your teeth and ally against the more capitalized Enemy?"

"I'm going to kill Curufinwë."

"Before or after he helps save the world? He doesn't seem all that replaceable, and the Valar might be even more guilty. I assume you'd accept help from them if they weren't pointed the wrong direction."

"He's no help with saving the world. He's smart, but plenty of people are, and he's incapable of working with others or sharing, and he wants me dead and I'm at least as smart as him and so may as well end things first. What are the Valar guilty of, except giving him too much latitude?"

"Killing a lot more people, if that's how the Doom works and it turns out to apply to your group as well. Especially if the other version of the story is more than just Findekáno's wishful thinking. Not to mention announcing that everyone affected will die in vain when some of their goals are ones that the Valar really ought to share."

"Killing murderers isn't the same thing as killing innocents. And Moringotto will fall, just not as a consequence of anything Fëanor does."

"No, but killing people who happen to be descended from murderers is. And killing people who happen to cross the same ocean as murderers is. And killing people who honestly thought they were defending their family is. Any one of those might apply, since the Valar weren't even specific about which variety of guilt by association they were using. That's aside from the fact that it's backstabbing people fighting a common enemy.

How are you so sure you can beat Moringotto?"

"It's not that I think we can, it's that I think eventually the Valar will. I'm not crossing to fight the war. I trust the Valar to handle it, and none of us stand the slightest chance anyway. I'm crossing because I want to live on the other side."

"I can't fault your realism, I suppose.

Would that change if we did have a chance to win?"