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"Well, 'everyone'."

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"They can't all learn it?"

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"Can, don't."

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"Might be more motivated with summoning a thing. ...you can awaken golems that're people, right?"

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"Theoretically, not in practice. Kib made a line of them that talk and calculate and learn and such but do not appear to be people."

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"So not an urgent problem, at least."

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"In theory we'd have the same problem with AIs but no one's programmed one of those yet either."

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"Not anywhere?"

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"At least not so you'd notice. There are ones almost as bright and better conversationalists than Kib's line of golems but they just populate video games and are pretty definitively not awake."

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Nod. "Anyway, servantmaking sounds super useful."

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"Especially in places without the infrastructure to maintain technological robots and long distance lightspeed communications and such."

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"And that's kind of most of them. We can maybe put up satellites in Godspring but a shine setup would be less hassle."

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"I'm not actually sure it'd be easier to set up initially - and you can't train the locals to do shines, if their shines get lost they have to import replacements - but it's at least worth experimenting."

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So he drops Ambela a note asking when the competent Valar will be ready to take Kib's Arda's Melkor.

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Do they have an estimate on that?

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They are happy to do it next; they are not done explaining things to the current set of Valar but they could probably leave someone that job and send everyone else on to an Arda in more need. There should be a discussion about forking-and-reaching every single space Arda prior to the pardon of Melkor; logistically it will be bit difficult, since there are millions of them, and they don't really like forking off alt consent, but it should probably get consideration nonetheless.

In Ardas after Melkor has been pardoned it will take a Years-long war to imprison him again without breaking any continents. They are thinking about how to improve on that and they think they could get it down to two Years, but they'd need some extraordinarily powerful new form of magic to expect to do it overnight.

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Do they have in mind specific magic they'd need or do they just anticipate that something sufficient might exist?

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Eru has suggested it's not in principle completely impossible for some kind of magic to be sufficient to kill Valar (without destroying everything around them, even) but nothing they have could do it. Well, except Eru. They haven't asked him to help, they're not sure it's a good idea.

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Seems like a last resort.

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Yeah. Anyway, they can imprison a Melkor, they've done it before, and with two sets they can even ensure there aren't civilian casualties. But it won't go quickly. Thus the potential appeal of sending people through to all of the chip Ardas, what does she think about that?

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It seems like it might be one of the highest leverage things they could possibly do, especially if they can exponentiate the explaining things to Valar part as new ones are brought up to speed.

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They are optimistic about that! The Valar they're talking to don't understand things thoroughly enough to explain things yet but it's only been a few months, with all of them working on it as fast as they can they'll be capable of that within a few more Years at most.

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"There'll probably be some Ardas that'll pardon their Melkors in the meantime."

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"I suppose we could monitor their timelines through Bar and try to interrupt..." Can the Valar think of a quick functional way for non-Vala visitors to address a world with a Melkor about to be paroled - or about to break parole, if he could be reimprisoned then -?

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They expect their alts could easily be persuaded to delay parole by a visitor arriving from a world where he broke parole. We aren't very hard to convince to delay things, in general, when we haven't gotten the explanation about time being important. I think you could probably suggest they wait twenty Years to talk with us.

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