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Are there any other requirements than love for a changeling to drain magic from someone? In particular, can a changeling drain someone they have never met?

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A changeling can only drain an animal while their food is interacting with them and feeling love towards the individual they think they're interacting with. The interaction doesn't need to be in person but it's slower the further away they are; phonecalls within a city still allow for pretty efficient feeding, phonecalls from one side of Equestria to the other don't do much. Having met somepony isn't necessary so long as they love you, but I don't think it could happen interworld if that's what you're worried about.

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Would you be willing to give some examples of Earth Pony magic, and of special talents?

Is there somewhere outside of Equestria dragons can go if they decide they want to grow up?

How specifically targeted or intense does love have to be for a changeling to drain someone? Would a general fondness for beings nearby you be enough, or general affection for the people you know and or used to, or the affection a pet has for its carer? Or does it need to be more like the love between counterparts, or the love between a child and their favorite adults, or the love between friends? How much damage does a changeling's draining do to whomever they drain from, and how quickly? Can it be recovered from?

Are most of the beings you know about generally content with their lives? Are there simple things that would obviously help?

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The Bearer of Honesty is an earth pony with a special talent for agriculture. That means he's better at keeping a farm running well than anypony without that special talent. His family have a secret magic ritual for making zap-apples into jam, whereas if anyone else tries to do that the apples vanish. The ritual most likely wouldn't work for anyone but an earth pony.

The Bearer of Laughter is a pegasus with a special talent for politics; she's better at figuring out what to say, how to say it and who to say it to in order to achieve her political goals than anypony without that talent. I've met an earth pony with a similar talent who can predict future political events from things like the numbers of petals on a daisy and the number of geese in a flock.

The Bearer of Generosity is a unicorn pony with a special talent for fashion; she's better at designing and making really nice clothes than anypony without that talent, and she has more precise and powerful telekinesis over clothes and sewing supplies than unicorns without that talent, and she could learn fashion-related spells if she wanted to.

The Bearer of Kindness is a unicorn with a special talent for engineering. Earth ponies with that talent have been able to make machines they'd designed without the necessary equipment by tossing the components into place.

I also know of ponies with special talents for various sports, for dealing with animals, for logistics, for music, and for all sorts of other things.

I know an earth pony with a special talent for acrobatics who can balance on things that couldn't possibly hold her weight and contort in impossible ways.

Dragons are free to go to the Dragon Lands, and are allowed to own property there. Many of them do.

Changelings can use general fondness, but more intense love allows them to feed much more quickly. It takes fairly deep love to get a proper meal. The affection of a pet can sometimes be good enough, as can close family and friendship bonds. Romantic love almost always is. General affection for everypony pretty much never is. I don't know what a counterpart is. If a changeling feeds exclusively on one pony from the time that changeling starts feeding on the pony, it takes several days for the effect to be obvious, and if you spread your feeding among more people it takes longer. Being fed on by a changeling normally leads to, at worst, lethargy, dizziness and headaches similar to what you might get from a bad cold, plus reduced magical power. Symptoms disappear at about the same rate as they appear.

Most animals around here are pretty content with their lives. I'm not sure what you mean by "simple things". Changelings would be a lot happier if ponies were less hostile towards them, and didn't try to find and banish them. Everyone would be happier if there were a way for changelings to feed that didn't make their food sick or a way for carnivores to feed that didn't kill their food. Dragons would be happier if they could own property without becoming dangerous to everyone. But if any of those things were easy to achieve we'd have achieved them already.

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Rainbowstar,

It sounds wonderful that ponies get extra magic and abilities in their areas of interest!

I think Fayet was checking to see if there were any problems we happened to already have solutions for, or anything that would be helped by engineering or device-making.

I think the only thing that sounds like it might be helped by invention is the carnivores' problem, but presumably your world already has engineers who have tried to make carnivores adequate foods from plants and failed?

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Can the carnivores accept donations? If they receive fresh meat regularly from sources willing to provide them, things go more smoothly.

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Inventors have tried and failed to make vegetarian food for carnivores, but from the Resource sharing thread, it looks like some other world have much better technology than this one in a lot of areas, so maybe we'll be able to do it now we have this forum.

And yeah, there are programs for ponies to donate their corpses for carnivores to eat. But there have been enough high-profile instances of their stuffing up and letting the meat get poisoned that most carnivores don't trust them and would rather hunt.

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My world has a species which relies on human blood to survive. If they drained the bodies and immediately provided the fresh corpses to carnivores, would that solve your problem? Maintaining their supply is already a solved problem in our world.

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That might work? How would you get the corpses into our world?

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We have witches who have been known to occasionally access other dimensions. I can't be sure worlds as different as ours can connect in the same way, though, and it requires a very powerful witch. If we could set up some kind of trade route, I would be very grateful.

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Our world has humans as the "dominant" species, working alongside Pokemon. Although really, there's probably less distinction between the two than some people would like to think. I think that other me has mentioned that the Legendaries can take human form. There's plenty of humans that can manipulate Elements similarly to Pokemon, although most of them can only control one. Most Pokemon can control multiple, although they have one or two they're more proficient with. I can't really describe Pokemon as a group, since they all look pretty different from each other. There's also spirits, who generally started out as either human or Pokemon, but eventually gained more and more power, and eventually became potentially immortal. Really, the only difference between them and the Legendaries is that we don't know what the Legendaries started out as.

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Are Pokemon people? Are they made out of the same as humans, or something else? And spirits? In magic I think, the thread, what are the elements if are they different the virtues?

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How intelligent are Pokemon? You suggest that there are few differences between your species, but in my world the separation between people and animals are our minds.

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I do admit that they vary in intelligence, although even the dumbest of them are generally smarter than the animals we eat for food. Some of them are made of different sorts of materials, such as earth or plant matter, but others have bodies quite similar to humans'. I don't know that many spirits, but the ones I've seen, although they feel like humans or Pokemon, are probably made of something different. For example, they can actually switch between different forms at times. Also, with the proper training, most Pokemon are capable of holding conversations with humans, as long as they are provided with a means of communication. And most spirits can outright speak human, even if their bodies technically shouldn't allow it.

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What makes Pokemon similar to one another? They don't sound like any species that I've heard of.

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I'm one of the feathered-conjuring-builder people! We have two wings, two legs, one beak. We are covered in shiny feathers of so many colors. Our specialty is conjuring things that just last for a little while and also we are the most interested in making buildings to live in although other people also do that!

The other most common people in my city are the scaled-glazing-artist people. They have four legs, fleshy tails, soft mouths. They are covered in scales of one or two colors. Their feet have thick toes all forward and the front ones can grab things. Their specialty is making sand into Glass and they are the most interested in making sure there are patterns on flat surfaces. They really like the sun and my friends who are them are so cuddly.

There is a really famous group of armed-changing-engineer people in a giant tank also in my city. They have eight arms, one beak, no bones. They are covered in naked skin and sticky protrusions but they can change to all the colors and so many textures! Their arms don't have any toes at all but they are long and flexible to wrap around things, but they only live in water. Their specialty is slowly changing what things are made of and they're the most interested in electrical engineering.

There are probably more kinds of people, but not in my city.

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Most people in the known realm are probably human, though there hasn't exactly been a census. I remember hearing there's anywhere from over a hundred to a few thousand intelligent species (again, no overall census, and it's really hard to determine how to count spirits). We're uncertain why - going theories are that humans are unusually common in the multiverse, that the realm is inordinately fond of stealing humans, and that dimensions with humans are clustered in such a way that they appear nearby each other in the realm, so if we went far enough away from our islands we'd run into sections with very few or no humans.

There's a few noticeable groups of species too - elves are generally taller than humans, with pointed ears, better hearing and eyesight, and significantly longer lifespans (there's at least ten species of elves I think?), while dwarves are shorter and stouter than humans, with less sexual dimorphism, better eyesight (especially in the dark), and slightly longer lifespans (not sure how many species of dwarves, there's a couple though). (There's similarities beyond those, but I'm not a biologist). My home continent also has a few dragons, as do a few other reality-islands, though dragons species vary really widely and the 'dragon' category is I think poorly defined

There's also spirits - that's a really broad catch-all, but most spirits are either animal spirits or landscape spirits. Like, I'm friends with a cat-spirit, and I know a desert-spirit from my university days, plus I've met a few river-spirits. Spirits are magically powerful, usually shapeshifters, and capable of talking in any language.

There's the Akest, they're pretty common where I grew up. They're reptilian and single gender, as are most of the big creatures from their home dimensions. 

The island-continent of Omaven has a ton of different species, too. I'm really only familiar with the Incusai (had a blue group one as a roommate in uni), they're small winged humanoids whose skin, hair, and wing color determines their gender. They're green up through puberty, when they start choosing which of three color-groups to be in (purple/pink for male-ish, white/cream/grey for female-ish, and blues for the third gender), though some choose to stay green I think?

I heard about intelligent trees once. Not, like, tree-spirits, but an actual sentient tree. I'm not sure if that was a tall tale or not.

There's also some animals we used to consider non-sapient, like Shras sand-serpents, crows, parrots, elephants, and dolphins. (There's debate over whether similar animals in the human source worlds were also sapient, or if the animals in this realm come from a different evolutionary path). Some people can magically talk to plants, non-language animals, or inanimate objects, there's debate over whether that's proof of sapience

There's the occasional intelligent artifact, they're usually made with magic instead of occurring naturally. A captain I know has a talking ship, and there's been some debate over how much we can improve the systems on our ships before they count as people

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Regarding intelligent trees; we have some plant species with minds, although none of them are very smart that I've heard of.

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My trees are people. If they were not people, then they would not truly be saved.

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My world has humans! I started as a human, and then I was frozen, and now I run on a less biological computer! I am traveling very far in the hope of finding a planet that is either inhabited by people or is habitable by humans. I hope that some other humans are still alive, in my universe.

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In my world, things mostly are smarter and can do more interesting things if they have bigger brains compared to how big their bodies are. Are your worlds like that too?

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@Karen: I asked my sister about that and she looked up stuff about it in the library and apparently in our world the answer is no, except maybe if you only look at very closely related animals. Why do you ask?

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Cool! There are lots of animals in my world that have interesting senses like butterflies and birds can maybe sense magnetic fields and bees see ultraviolet and dogs can smell really really well and bats hear echoes well enough to pretty much see by and snakes see heat! But in my world they all have really small brains and that means they can't do anything interesting.

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After doing some research, it seems that the brain-to-body-size ratio principle holds in my world for nonmagical creatures, but not for magical creatures.

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My world has only humans for sapient species, and therefore lacks sufficient data points to generalize. 

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