Feb 19, 2020 11:25 PM
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Every attempt to upload biological life to a digital substrate, in my universe, has ended with the uploads going insane from sensory understimulation or excessive regularity.

 

There is a world classification system; barren worlds, violent worlds, gas worlds, temperate worlds. Life arises on temperate worlds only; they are ranked from class 1-9 for ease of living for sapients, with an extension from 10-12 for worlds which are temperate but too unstable, dangerous, and/or stressful to support intelligence. Earth has recently been reclassified as a class 13. (Factors include the unusually high gravity, wide variety of predators, virulent biological plagues, and extreme weather.)

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That sounds strange Arthur, we haven't had any such problems, most first-gen uploads and a large portion of second-gens do spend most of their time in the public VRs though. I feel like excessive regularity would only be an issue if you had a limited ability to interact with other people.

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They commit suicide too quickly to tell if social interaction would help. I'd be interested in uploading schematics that work for you (or "cortical stack" designs); it's possible that humans are more stable in these circumstances, but we're not close. A line on functional immortality without side effects of total insanity would be great.

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Detailed technical knowledge of uploading is unfortunately something my superiors are reluctant to share. There is some debate about whether to make it available to others on the forum, it's a really powerful technology which allows for many abuses. In our universe, we'd only give it out after we were able to confirm that there were safeguards against its abuse set up.

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Could you share information about appropriate safeguards?

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First of all, we'd want there to be a legal framework in place that doesn't allow enslaving or torturing uploaded persons. We'd also want there to be adequately wide spread knowledge of the security techniques necessary to make it at least difficult to compromise the integrity of uploaded minds. From there it's mostly about making sure that the prerequisite levels of nanotechnology can be safely handled. That tends to be the hardest part of any uplift operation actually. There isn't a perfect order for ensuring that defensive nanotech is available before more weaponizable variants.

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How would you enforce that sort of legal framework? Can the technology be restricted to certain planes?

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We do our best to limit the flow of technical details about certain technologies until a newly contacted world is past certain hurdles. There are no guarantees though. If someone smuggles in the knowledge there's nothing we can do to stop people from using it. In those cases, we'll still do our best to help people find ethical and productive uses for those technologies.

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Without communicating the details, I'll say that there are many powerful beings in my world who would appreciate more opportunities to torture a greater number of people. Other worlds should be your priority before you consider mine.

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Torture is sometimes amusing if a mortal has particularly irritated me but I fail to see the point of doing so at a scale larger than the individual level.

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There's a concept in our religions of "Hell", a place where people who have been "sinful" (roughly "evil", according to the rules of a particular religion) are punished for their bad deeds. The most common interpretations in the prevailing belief system put this as wildly disproportionate retribution, usually eternal torture, and suppose beings whose entire purpose of existence is to take sadistic delight in torturing their sinful victims to make the system work.

Given that other fictional(-in-my-world) things like dragons and gods have already shown up on this forum I probably won't be surprised if at least one world actually has a Hell fitting that description.

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I wouldn't quite describe Baator in those terms. The torture is perpetrated as much by those who come there after death as by the natives. It's an unfortunate lot, but even the lowest of the low there claim to prefer it to the alternatives. I have my doubts about their honesty, for all that they claim to be honorable.

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...great. It was hard enough explaining religion to aliens as a strange superstition produced by human social pattern-matching instincts and fear of ignorance, now I have to do it while knowing that it's sort of true somewhere.

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i am not, like, SURE sure if religion is true in my world, but i am kinda starting to suspect it might be...

(which sucks. any tips on getting rid of god?)

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'God' is translating as 'stronger than a Fate' to me.

Destruction of all their temples and then destruction of their avatar seems to work for our Fates.

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...hmm. i could maybe do that. how do you find the avatar?

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They're generally fairly obvious. Raising mountains, destroying invading armies with a wave of a hand, creating life. So on and so forth.

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but they usually, like, LIKE the god, right

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The avatar of a Fate is the Fate.

Of course, if you can't find the avatar, destroying temples still weakens Fates. I have no idea if the principle will hold for your 'god'.

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it's worth a try!

does the avatar KNOW they're the fate? like is it obvious

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I have only rarely conversed with such, but the answer seems to be 'yes'.

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okay good

i'll let you know how the temple-destroying thing works out!!

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I recommend you do it all at once. They tend to take exception to temple-destroying so you want them weak by the time they realize they must retaliate.

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good point. is ALL at once important, or if i can get, like, 90%, is that worth going ahead and doing?

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I don't have any tactical data on your god. You will have to determine that risk yourself.

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