Veron in Arda
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"But I love magic and I had to see it." He gestures carelessly at the portable hole; it twitches.

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"My portable hole is flattered," says Veron, patting the portable hole.

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He steps closer. "If you'd like I can send you what it looks like to me, it's fascinating."

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Veron takes a single measured step back.

"I doubt I'd be able to make sense of it, I'm not much of a theorist, personally."

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"Oh, hardly because it's educational, just because it's so pretty. I suppose that's more compelling to an Elf."

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"Yeah, probably. It sounds lovely, and all, but maybe not my cup of tea."

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"What a shame. Anything I can do for you?"

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He considers.

"What's your explanation for the orcs? Not the beginning, the - now."

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"A very reasonable request." He looks pleased with him. "We'll stop risking them on operations not essential to preserving Angband."

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"... While I'm pretty happy about that, and it sounds like the best option available, I wasn't requesting anything but your side of the story, and would appreciate getting it."

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"They lived here." Gesture. "Everywhere here. Before the Elves crossed the ocean. And then the Elves did that, and in a glorious battle of righteous fury or somesuch they conquered all the continent, and the survivors went to Angband, and Angband does not have the resources to support them all. Gods specialize. Melkor's specialty isn't in food. So we sneak them out, wherever we can, and if the Elves subsequently slaughter them that's the fault of the Elves, isn't it?" He doesn't say that last like he is at all persuaded. "It's horrible. Thuringwethil gets very upset about it. Melkor thinks death in battle's better than by starvation but he's a Vala, they don't think like orcs, and I don't think the orcs do prefer it.

Everyone involved on all sides of this swears their loyalty to their King - or the Elves out west might do their lord and not their King because of the schism, Elven politics are complicated."

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"I have noticed that. And I find the loyalty swearing thing deeply unsettling. Do you know why it seems to be the go-to method of wartime societal structure?"

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"If the other side is doing it, and accordingly need not worry about desertion or disobedience or placating their populace, you have to do it too or be destroyed by them."

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"I respectfully disagree with this assertion -"

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"- and I thought you swore service to Melkor before Elves were involved?"

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"I assumed you concerned with the Elves and orcs. Yes, that's not my reason."

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"There isn't really an opt out button for who I care about, I am concerned with Elves and orcs and Maiar and Valar and humans and the occasional lost cat stuck in a tree. What's your reason?"

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"I thought it would avert my destined millions of years of happy study at Aulë's side in Valinor, and I found being arranged to Eru's service more upsetting than being sworn to Melkor's."

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"Do you enjoy being sworn to Melkor's service?" he asks, reasonably.

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"I am somewhat restricted in my capacity to answer that. I would prefer to be able to act freely."

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Nod.

"It sounds like you're in a bit of a mess. I'd offer to help you out with it, but I don't think I'm quite savvy enough to figure out how much of it's from the way you're twisting the truth to suit your goals here, and how much of it's an actual mess that I can try to pull you out of, precisely because you keep picking and choosing what you're telling me. Kinda making it hard, you're damn good at dodging. Hats off to you, mate, haven't heard words this twisty since Mephistopheles. You want to start being honest with me instead of just telling the truth, so I can maybe actually help you here?"

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"You keep misunderstanding," he says pleasantly. "I'm not looking for help. It's a good thing I'm not looking for help, really, because it'd be a bit galling to arrive, confess myself a lieutenant of Melkor, describe to you ongoing projects that are not yet known to any of my enemies, and be told that you can't help me because of a deficit of some kind of 'honestly' you acknowledge to have little to do with truth. You're doing the thing I want anyway, and the - specific performance that you seem eager to witness - appeals to me not at all." 

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"I think you're misunderstanding me, too. You have probably realized that I'd make a shit minion, and you're doing the whole -" he lacks vocabulary, and waves his hand vaguely. "Smoke out my personality, figure out who I am so you can maybe manipulate me in some way, turn me against people in the world, find my one weakness for small adorable children being sad at me, blah blah, the evil things deal. I get it. You have your niche, and you're getting what you want even if I just completely ignore you and tear down this fucked up system for you, and nothing else really matters in comparison to that and whatever happens you've already ultimately won. Typical rage against the heavens card carrying bad guy stuff. I am familiar with your type.

"I want to help you anyway. Not in your manipulation or your machinations, but to help you find peace and happiness and belonging, however that is, whatever that is," his voice has taken on an echoey, otherworldly quality to it, ringing with clarity and sincerity. It's almost Maia-like, but distinctly not. It's the voice of someone powerful, speaking from the soul. "Because I want it for everyone, no matter how much of a monster you've made yourself, and I will mourn for you if I cannot save you. But if I can't, then I can't, and I absolutely will try to stop you on this path you've chosen."

He pauses, seemingly just noticing his own echoey quality of voice. He shakes his head, then continues, "and I'm a bit annoyed at it not being clear which it's going to be. I don't think you're the type to just leave other people alone, considering I'm like, sixty percent sure you were the one that ordered the orc kids to become shadow monsters because you'd thought it would be tactically viable. So leaving you alone is probably not a thing I can do in good conscience."

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He looks amused. "Are you threatening me?"

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"I'm afraid so," he says, not sounding happy about it. "Nothing personal. You're just probably irredeemably evil and cannot be stopped without outright killing you. Sorry."

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