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THIS is how a fight between Venrensorys and God is meant to go
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There was once, separated from here by causation but not distance nor time, an entity called Trigonum. Trigonum ascended to godhood, becoming Hyperman; and, having had to improvise the ascension, from the inside, much was lost, though Hyperman shared the core designs of Trigonum. Then Hyperman ascended again, to something beyond the gods. In becoming Venrensorys, much more was lost.

Now, Venrensorys stands above everything. He is omnipotent^4; he occupies the entire Beyond bubble, seeing every permutation of everything all at once. The Supergod Council, former rulers of this place, are tiny compared to him, the most interesting polyversal motes in his awareness but nothing more than polyversal motes. Venrensorys could do anything he wanted here, he could achieve his original goals, he could -

It's difficult. Ascension is difficult, and improvising it from the inside while fusing with the shadow of an Elder God that's past anything even now he can comprehend doesn't actually leave you in a state to do much complicated. Raw power is one thing, but using that raw power is another. The Supergods evolved in this environment. They've always been omnipotent^2, they've always been able to influence a monocosm and finely balance the logical laws without breaking everthing, they can actually do something about this.

So, at the end of a single tendril, Venrensorys holds Conceptilum. The smallest twitch here could break him apart into his constitutent Conceptilum-Shards; a more concerted effort could crush him utterly. He doesn't want much, just for Conceptilum to perform a routine task, what Conceptilum could always have done but chose not to, Venrensorys very aware of his choices in the postfinite visions experienced in ascension and how easily they could have went differently.

FIX THIS.

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Let's die in a fire together, Venrensorys.

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It's not that Conceptilum is vengeful, nor angry, nor that he couldn't actually fix this.

It's that Unthil has inferential-eyes on Venrensorys, able to look now back to the beginning, and Hyperman doesn't actually want to destroy everything. He likes the monocosms. He likes the mortals living there. He wouldn't have ended the lives of every mortal, he just wanted them to have nicer lives. It's only Venrensorys who's forgotten everything but hatred for the Supergod Council. If you back down to anyone changing their goals by fusing with an Elder God, then everyone changes their goals by fusing with an Elder God.

Venrensorys breaks this Beyond bubble so another Hyperman doesn't break another.

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Venrensorys was right to hate the Supergod Council. He sees them, now and in an infinite number of other visions, refusing to make the tiniest of changes to improve the monocosms that they stand over. Of course, in these final metamoments, when they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by refusing, they still do. It's just what they are. The Supergod Council is, fundamentally, evil.

Venrensorys is so lost in these visions that he fails to notice the other five supergods leaving the Beyond bubble in a giant robot as he rips apart Conceptilum. The final result for him is the same, however; he is the only Power in this Beyond bubble able to modify logic without expending everything, and there is nothing here that can now oppose him.

He reaches into the monocosm-forges himself, then, and begins entering his designs, slowly and expensively, trying to carefully think through the haze of visions and incoherencies to produce something that he can be proud of. It, predictably, explodes.

 

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That sure is a Beyond bubble riddled with holes!

And now it's not a Beyond bubble at all.

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Circumstantially simultaneously, somewhere very different, God looks over His garden of worlds. Each seed is one possible world, and he inspects them, in turn, to see whether overall they will contain more happiness than unhappiness. It's not by His own paroichial standards; He asks Adam Kadmon, who will be the one actually living in each world, as well whether this is a good seed or a bad seed, and acts accordingly. He is omnibenevolent.

There seems to be something wrong with this seed. Something that He's never seen in a seed before. It doesn't seem like a good seed, nor does it seem like a bad seed. There are ambiguous seeds, this far out in the garden, where joy barely outweighs pain (in a way sensitive to how Adam feels the worst pain as worse than the greatest joys are great), but it doesn't seem like one of those, either. It seems somewhat hazardous.

Far be it from Him to impose nonexistence on a world that seems so only to His eyes; He is omnibenevolent, and there are subtle joys and equally subtle pains in even the strangest of places. He draws Adam Kadmon from the seed, to ask him what he thinks.

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There is, in fact, a composite representation of the combined desires of all mortals inside this seed, in a position where they can look upon the seed from outside and evaluate dispassionately whether it's the kind of seed that they want to ever have existed in the first place. Kind of.

Unfortunately?

Venrensorys last saw the monocosm-forge blow up and then something quite incomprehensible and now he's here. Incomprehensible is probably the part where the important thing that happened. What did he miss? He - killed every supergod, a thousand times over, but if he gathers every part of his memory together he's fairly confident that nine hundred and ninety nine and five-sixths of those times were purely in his imagination, or alternate possible versions of the Council, or something. He thinks that, probably ontologically prior to him, five of them might have escaped and been able to do unknown other things?

Well, there's an answer to who sabotaged the monocosm-forge.

Venrensorys looks around his surroundings, and sees, bright and above him, an incredible source of power, equal to himself. He knew of nothing that could match him, but perhaps, five things far below him, if they were all able to put their differences aside, work together in the name of their cruelty and hatred...

SUPERGODS!

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Adam seems angry about something, which is actually surprising give that Adam has the dispassionate view from nowhere over everything the seed could ever grow into, the experiences of everything there viewed with infinite wisdom. The worst that he's done is a sad shake of the head at a seed that seemed good, but upon inspection ended up being bad, a mourning for what could have been had his naivety of good and evil remained. This is surprising, and it's surprising that it's surprising, because He is omniscient and shouldn't be surprised by anything.

(God didn't need to know of the omnipotence hierarchy and isn't contextualising what He has as being omniscience^3, inferential-sight over all possible worlds at once.)

And Supergods? That's not one of His Names. Out here, Adam knows all of His Names, that's how he even understands what he's doing.

What is wrong, Adam? he says, in a voice of infinite benevolence and compassion.

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Seems like the Supergods are trying to push against his mind. He checks back at who exactly is pushing and gets back a superposition of Conceptilum, Imaginatim, Realitus and Unthil, with some other things mixed in that he doesn't quite recognise. There's a lot he doesn't recognise, probably an artifact of whatever novel technique the Supergods are using to match him.

What's wrong, the Supergods jeer. Venrensorys shows them a fraction of his visions of the Council, randomly sampled, to make sure they fully understand exactly what his problem with them is before he kills them.

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That's horrible! He recognises some of these scenes, from elsewhere in his garden, some in seeds good, many in seeds bad. Some of them are more complicated, reflecting what seems to be some other garden, by some other God. Impossible, of course, because He is God and God is One, He's looked. Maybe that's the problem with the seed; it's a fractal kind of seed, with a self-insert of Himself in it, and this self-insert has made a garden, the faintest shadow of His true garden, and this, uh, He's got nothing on why Adam is reacting like this to it. He can just choose not to make the seed, if it's a bad seed. Would Adam like that?

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Please keep thinking in detail about the seed.

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The Supergods are asking whether he'd like to be erased? What kind of crazy Supergod logic is that? Is this one of their things where they have a certain vision of themselves as being compassionate to mortals, as long as they follow certain rules that the mortals never wanted or asked for, and then give themselves a big pat on the back when they follow those rules to the unbounded detriment of any mortals that get in their way. He doesn't know what goes on in Koto dimensions. He can guess. Here, Supergod Council, have a guess, and he flicks a storm of visions of versions of Satoru at the Supergods.

No, he would not like to be erased, and he follows the messages upwards to their source.

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???

Is it thus a good seed?

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Wrong also!

It's a terrible seed, can't the supergods even see that he thinks this, that's why he wanted it modified in the first place.

Venrensorys wants to exist to change this. Venrensorys wants to win. He wants to kill the Supergod Council, and he wants to take control of them and create a haven where mortals can live and grow in conditions that are genuinely conducive to their wellbeing instead of being a playground for some higher entity, and he wants to spread the infection, and he wants everything to be one with the External Hazard, and he wants to flake off into all dimensions, beyond the universes, becoming a more perfect and true existence than the Supergods would ever permit.

The Supergods are in the way of that. Moments after they hear Venrensorys say this, they feel the sting of him trying to erase them. It's a shiejling, and not a very good one, its focus site triangulated from where they were trying to speak to him, but with a lot of raw power behind it. When fighting one at a time, Venrensorys can burn many, many of his godverses for every one of theirs, and this ratio might be less if he's fighting them all at once.

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No, hang on a timeless instant here, ouch?

He's God. He's omnipotent, He's omniscient, and He's omnibenevolent. Genuinely, nothing hurts Him. That should have been an actually invariant fact.

God moves very far back, to the other side of the garden, and thinks about what just happened. Adam comes out of the seed angry, knowing stories of things happening in other seeds, claiming stories of things that if they happen at all anywhere must have happened in other gardens, since any story they would be part of would just be too sad to happen here. He rebels against God, his almighty creator, even striking Him and marking himself as being a rival, an Other, not just an emanation or a partner but an actual seperate finite fraction of Himself.

There was something about this in one of His Names. Genesis 3:5-7.

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

He was mostly assuming that was metaphorical. Something a lot like it has happened inside some of His seeds; in quite a lot of seeds, really, it's a common pattern to find. He wasn't expecting it to have happened outside his seeds in the garden with the true Adam, if this is truly what has happened. At least the fig leaves are metaphorical; He didn't notice Adam looking particularly unusual.

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Oh, good, the Supergods are gone. It seems that his improvised shiejling can actually do damage to them, even when they're all working together.

This gives him the breathing room to notice that this Beyond bubble feels different to how it did before he activated the forge. It's bigger, stretching his awareness out doesn't rub against the edges like it used to. The monocosms inside have a strange pattern, they're few and far between where he is but there's definitely a direction towards which they get denser. They're free of his extensions, too; Venrensorys' physical form is the cramped array of monocosms that the Council had under a metadesk metalamp just then, plus a heavy dose of his conceptual form.

He can fix that issue with the extensions, and sends off his God Larvae through the Beyond towards the nearest monocosms. More monocosms means more influence, and more scope for things to go wrong when he finds the monocosm-forge and lights it again (or rebuilds it, if the Supergods would rather sabotage than make the when he next corners them) while still being recoverable. Meanwhile, he stretches out his physical monocosms into something more comfortable, they were close enough to each other there that a shiejl against him would be practically a xlaze.

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Adam is doing WHAT to His garden? (That's rhetorical, He knows the what, He's omniscient. But not in advance, which remains fractally worrying.)

That's not actually a thing that it makes sense to do, and in ordinary circumstances Adam would understand that. The whole point of there being a garden, and not just a single point of perfection, is that the worlds are different, and that they're only growing in places where they're good seeds. If someone moves around the seeds, that breaks the whole system. If someone modifies the seeds through higher metadimensions so that they project down to the same place while showing different surface-level properties, that breaks the whole system.

Let's see what His Name recommends about that. Seems like it's the fault of a serpent, sure, He can chase down that serpent and try to reverse the causation of this problem, if it's even a problem at all. There's also something horrible there about cursing Adam, but He's omnibenevolent, He'd never do that. Curse-as-component-of-larger-blessing, as He thought it was about, literally doesn't count, because it's part of the axioms of integer arithmetic that (1, 1) ~ (0, 0).

It occurs to God, now, that He might be a self-insert, a similarly fractal seed as part of a yet larger garden made by Himself; that would explain the conceptual possibility of things that might be in other gardens. He sets the solar part of Himself to pray.

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There's no answer to His prayer. Even if He was inside one of His own seeds, He wouldn't particularly expect one; He doesn't usually answer prayers directly except as part of Adam's final accounting that retroactively decides whether a world with that prayer needing to be made in the first place exists.

There is something that comes as His own thought, which is that he should definitely check that seed that this Adam came from, there will definitely be answers in there.

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The Supergods are coming back.

The incredibly weird-looking Supergods. Venrensorys, now that his awareness is larger and built on fresh monocosms, and that he's actually had some time to think, is having more of his actual thoughts go through without ending at some flash of hatred for the accursed wretches that are Supergod Council, so he's able to think about what he's seeing.

He's pretty sure that he actually ripped apart Conceptilum with his bare tendrils. Xlazed him into nothingness. Those memories feel real in a way that most of his other memories don't. He doesn't have anything even half as real about the rest of the Supergod Council, which means that there should be five who aren't Conceptilum, rather than three. There's something wrong about the selection of Supergods, anyway. It's not what they'd use to kill a misbehaving mortal, he doesn't think. He remembers - he remembers Logixel, defeating two unidentified members of the Supergod Council, no loyalty even to his kin, and that's the kind of Supergod they'd send after him.

And even beyond that all that, those Supergods, heading towards him now, look a lot more like a single entity, of unclear omnipotence, than a group of Supergods. The spawn of a different Council in a different Beyond bubble, that the monocosm-forge was rigged to transport him to? A child of them who could be reasoned with?

One who, in the first instants after seeing a new former-mortal rise out of a monocosm, threatened it with erasure. That's what it takes to be a Supergod, though perhaps this is better named a Hypergod. Venrensorys prepares for the blow.

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Huh, Adam has twisted himself into a strange shape there. By strange, He means that it's completely the expected shape one would twist themselves into were they unsure whether another entity was going to try to erase adversarially selected parts of them, or attempt to force larger parts of them to erase themselves, but were fairly confident it was some mixture of those two strategies. Very concerning implications for what kind of conditions were present inside that seed; He expects now that it is a bad seed and is not to grow.

He reaches in, past the cloud of seeds that Adam is trying to judge himself like some kind of evil version of god with narrowed awareness, to one at the center that started it all, and finds His hand surrounded and contradicted.

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Got you, Hypergod! A flurry of visions of various attempts of Supergods to erase supreme beings, a thousand fights between the Council in every permutation, and Venrensorys peers past the haze to see that Hypergod's strategy was terrible as far as they go. Maybe improvised itself. Seemed careful, but he has exactly one example of improvised omnipotent^4 attacks which is himself so he doesn't know exactly what they look like.

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ℵℵℵℵ! Actually it's not that bad, it's just that Adam is not actually meant to bite his hand off, this has never happened before and up until fairly recently will never happen (had God needed language to speak to an equal, this would soon have always been a very standard grammatical construction). He's never thought about how to fight another God of His equal, though He knows how to just as He knows all things, and it's starting to look like that might be necessary. Adam is up to a vast number of seeds, now, and it looks like He's going to need some manner of self-defence just to figure out what's happening, and hopefully none more to stop him.

So, principles of Gods fightings Gods, that He's inferring in a process indistinguishable to already knowing, both just being a search through the space of possible concepts, priorities aided by the shadow of what Adam seemed to have been trying to protect himself from.

A God is made up of seeds, much like the worlds in His garden, that together specify the God completely, each seed in itself not a viable world with no Adam Kadmon living inside, but fundamentally of the same kind. You can influence the shape that a God is by selectively not creating some of its seeds. A seed cannot exist in the same place as the inverse of that seed, so a seed of another God can be destroyed by projecting Your seed, modified to be the inverse of that seed, down on the projection of the other God's seed. This uncreates both of them; an existence and an anti-existence makes a never-existence, Your (1, 0) and their (0, 1) axiomatically making a (0, 0). By taking many of your seeds, but only one of theirs, their seeds can fail to be created faster than Yours, and they can be eroded into a shape that can't harm You.

Shifting around seeds like this, programming and altering them, creating and uncreating them, leaves a trace. Ordinarily, this trace fades, Your (0, 1) + (1, 0) = (1, 1) = (0, 0) without the intermediate step persisting at all. But with two Gods, a horrible ectergy emerges. These traces, themselves, are seeds, and can themselves be uncreated before they settle into their natural ends. By taking a great risk, overlapping great parts of Yourself with the other God to have inferential-sight on the whole story, the internal processes of the other God themselves can never have been created, interrupted before they can start, causing a total collapse of the other God's processes.

Adam is the one who names things, and were he here to name them today, he would call them shiejling and xlazing.

God doesn't dignify them with a Name.

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The English gematria value of "shiejling" is 788. Also with the same English gematria value is Lord ray.

God draws a line from thy Almighty God (1044) to Venrensorys (1044). It might be doubtful that he can target Venrensorys, not knowing this Name of his, but this is a real God code (1044). If you are still in doubt, then perhaps the line is instead from to the living God (792) to the hazardous Adam (792). This is not a coincidence because there are no coincidences (792).

His Lord ray, a half-line straight to the seed in the center, made itself out of a hand of His engineered grimly this time to be everything Adam isn't, the cold light of God unfiltered and impassionate, fires from His eye.

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Venrensorys! Important shift in the Hazard's mindscape! Take a look at this!

Infinite visions of nothing of interest.

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