carissa meets a tyrant
+ Show First Post
Total: 872
Posts Per Page:
Permalink

"... And is there magic to simply detect Evilness, then, to prevent all mortals from claiming themselves as the true Good and their enemies as the only Evil?"

That... actually would explain quite a lot, really...

Permalink

"...yes?"

 

 

Wait, do they not have Detect Alignment most places? So everyone just goes around claiming to be whatever's convenient - probably Lawful Good? That must be such a bizarre world!!

Permalink

"Ah-hah," he says, like one more puzzle piece has just fit into place. "Well. I am impossible to destroy, as your former superiors discovered, and my fundamental objective is to learn your world's magic, combine it with my own, and mend those parts of your world that are distasteful to me, such as the parts where some organizations" (his voice is quiet with menace) "attempt to murder their benefactors. I would greatly appreciate knowing what the primary barriers to this will be."

Permalink

He's going to destroy Cheliax and kill everyone in it. 

 

 

 

She's really ...confused about what the Asmodean thing to do here is. Presumably if this Lawful Evil entity is stronger than Abrogail Thrune then it deserves to be in charge? But Abrogail Thrune is human, and wants girls to go to wizard schools and things like that which Carissa cares about. 

Permalink

Oh. 

 

 

It's obvious once you let yourself actually think. 

 


"Is the indestructibility something that can be conferred on people with your magic, my lord, or is it inherent to the kind of outsider you are?"

Permalink

"Inherent," he says. "Though this raises another issue that is worth discussing with you," quite calmly, "which is that in my own world's afterlife, all those who have summoned entities like myself become them upon death. I presume, however, that your world has its own afterlife, and do not know if this supplants it."

Permalink

"Everyone who can do a planar binding becomes your kind of outsider when they die? That's - a much better deal than we get offered, all told - well, everyone becomes a devil if they don't give up halfway through, but they might not get to be a really cool and powerful kind of devil, unless they're unusually not-pathetic. And being a fifth-circle wizard isn't nearly enough to be sure of that."

 

Deep breath. 

"You could probably get a lot of defections among Her Majesty's security, if you could offer them all that. Which will be helpful in our conquering Cheliax."

Permalink

"Oh, no doubt," he says. "At which point there would be a very large number of people with my powers and overwhelming arcane magic, none of whom have any interest in or allegiance to my cause." He pauses. "And I am less interested in conquering your nation than I am in establishing the precedent that people who betray me, or issue orders to betray me, will regret it. I would prefer if as few people who did not wrong me suffered in the progress as possible, of course; it is very important to make the incentives for not betraying you superior to the incentives for doing so."

And table "become a devil," though that sounds interesting.

Permalink

Grow up, Carissa, grow up faster, grow grow grow -

 

"Why aren't you interested in conquering Cheliax, just because ruling it would be boring? Because i am interested in conquering Cheliax, and ruling it, and I don't actually think there's some other way to make Abrogail Thrune regret picking a fight with you, nor to steer how many other people suffer from it."

Permalink

"Correct," he says with a laugh. "I have mine own duchy, of mine own loyalists," some of whom he probably ought to summon over, "and in it I am content. Adventure outside it may entertain me for a time, but the duty of guiding - hundreds of thousands? Millions? - of souls who despise me out of crushing poverty and into prosperity will, I suspect, stale before a decade is out, let alone a century." He shrugs. "And as for your own ambitions - tell me. What would the first six reforms you would implement as Queen of Cheliax be, and why are they necessary, and why has Her Majesty not yet carried them out?"

Permalink

"I have absolutely no idea, it isn't exactly a safe thing to come up with plans for if you don't end up acquainted with any powerful outsiders set on avenging themselves on Abrogail Thrune. But I like Cheliax and I don't think it should be ruled by someone who's bored of the place, even though if you're doing Evil right you can just ....not do the boring parts."

Permalink

"I agree that it should not be ruled by someone bored of it! This is why I do not intend to rule it."

He pauses.

"I would say that being Evil means I may do exactly what I choose to do, and I choose to do what entertains me, and it does not entertain me to do anything badly. To the extent that I desire to rule, I desire to rule well; faced with a choice of ruling badly or not ruling, I will find someone capable of passing power to and pass power over to them."

Permalink

Carissa is skeptical of this plan but it does not seem like a good idea to push terrifying outsider who has decided to overthrow Cheliax further.

Permalink

"At any rate. What are the major Powers in your world, who might have opinions on this plan should I commit to carrying it out?"

Permalink

"....probably all of the gods but especially Asmodeus and Iomedae, and all of the neighboring countries but especially Galt and Andoran and Rahadoum. It's ....something of a very big project. I am not sure there's a single major power who'd be uninvolved, if they see an opening."

Permalink

"Do go on," he says cordially. "Tell me about these gods and about these nations." So I can compare and contrast with all the information in all the libraries I picked up.

Permalink

Well, if she wants him to put her in charge of Cheliax instead of handing it off to some random charismatic noble who'll immediately kill Carissa, she'd better be ...impressively knowledgeable about geopolitics? She's at something of a disadvantage here what with how learning about geopolitics is illegal, but it makes sense that ending up in charge of Cheliax is the kind of task where you need to be really good even when you're starting with a disadvantage.

 

"Iomedae's the Lawful Good god of fighting Evil. She won't want Evil governing Cheliax, though you could maybe get her church to not attack you if it was a lesser Evil, or about the same amount of Evil as before, they're very busy. We're allied with them at the Worldwound but not at all in Cheliax, and in fact a big problem if there were an extended war would be that we'd pull back our soldiers from the Worldwound and then northern Avistan would be overrun. Cheliax would sooner not do that, obviously, but in a sufficiently great crisis Her Majesty might well judge that it hurts her opponents more than it hurts her. 

Iomedae is herself an ascended Chelish woman so I'm not sure She'd want to sack all the cities and salt all the fields and enslave everyone and make sure Cheliax is never important again? Probably She'd rather not, which makes Her better than most possible allies, I guess, though everyone's in Cheliax is Evil so She would want to do something about that and I have no idea what. 

Andoran would definitely love to sack all the cities and salt all the fields and they wouldn't even take any slaves because they are against slavery, so that seems like an unusually bad outcome for Cheliax. Taldor would just mean decades of civil war, probably, but at least they take slaves. Galt changes governments very frequently and I don't know much about what they do in conquered territory. Rahadoum bans all the gods and all their servants and I don't know what they do in conquered territory either. 

Asmodeus is the Lawful Evil god of Hell, and He'll try to stop anyone not compacted with Him from taking over Cheliax. If you're very powerful you can probably just solve that problem by compacting with Him and assuring Him He'll get more of His interests from you than from the Queen."

 

Permalink

The first idea he thinks of is, ridiculously, 'they cannot actually have the default as salting all the fields, because salt is expensive.' Grimdark fantasy universe, understood, wow. Maybe Carissa's wrong? Or lying to him really, really well? These both seem quite plausible, but he is indeed updating in the direction of 'this is an Evil versus Evil environment.'

"... Tell me more about Asmodeus," he says.

Permalink

"Asmodeus is the Lawful Evil god and the ruler of Hell. Lawful Evil people go to Hell when they die, where they are reformed into devils that serve Asmodeus. His domains are pride, tyranny, slavery, and contracts. House Thrune's compact with Hell means that Hell provides Cheliax with funds for wizard schools and things like that, in exchange for Asmodeus's Church having power in Cheliax. Asmodeus is one of the most ancient and most powerful gods, and Hell's the best afterlife because eventually Asmodeus is going to conquer the other ones.

You'd definitely lose if you fought Asmodeus but I don't expect you'll have to."

Permalink

Proselytization of other gods is banned in Cheliax, I take it?

Wait, no, it's theoretically possible that the fantasy world he's in actually is that grimdark. Eeugh. Either way, Carissa's giving him one side of the argumetn. For the other, he needs -

"Understood. In that case..."

He is going to toss her a (durable!) tablet that he had the lemon demon make for them, set to New Language New User Tutorial mode. "A tool to make you a better ally. It is a product of advanced engineering from my own world designed to store and manipulate information, and it has possesses the complete works of every library you named for me, crafted by the apsel you bound."

Permalink

She grabs it. She's fairly sleep-deprived at this point but that's not an excuse for not catching valuable objects tossed at you by your Evil???? overseer.

 

......welllll that explains where he was supposedly keeping the large number of books he was claiming to have. 

 

She holds it and stares at it. It doesn't appear magical at all.

Permalink

He will press the ON button and show her the very basics of how to get into the tutorial.

Permalink

Carissa is very unfamiliar with this magic system but she will figure it out very quickly and demonstrate that she isn't an idiot!

Permalink

Great! Then once he's given her the Extremely Short Tutorial on how to unlock the tutorial on the device, he can get started doing research on his own with some of the books from Absalom.

(He can also make comfortable chairs for them. His looks like an extremely evil throne; hers is based off of the ones in her fort, except with better ergonomics.)

What are some titles?

Permalink

An Estimate of the Religions of the Fashionable World

Biographical Memoirs of Extraordinary Painters

The Lady Amaranthe

An Address to Lord Sars Petersen, And His Ilk

The Travels of Hildebrand Bowman, Esquire, into Carnovirria, Taupiniera, Olfactaria, and Auditante; in the Island of Bonhommica, and in the Powerful Kingdom of Luxo-Volupto, on the Great Southern Continent

Life of Stavian II

Reflections Occasioned by the Galtan Revolution

Groster Village

A Tale Of Kings, the 45th part

The Law of Absalom

Columella

On The Rights Of Speaking Beasts

Peace and Union Recommended to the Associated Bodies of Republicans and Anti-Republicans

Thoughts and Sentiments on the Evil and Wicked Traffic of the Slavery and Commerce of Peoples

An Exhaustive History of the Decline and Fall of the Western Empire

Some Historical Account of Holomog

In Favor Of The Garundi Institution of Plural Marriage

An Essay On The Population of Osirion

A View of Society in Avistan

Two Letters On the Trade of the Inner Sea


Total: 872
Posts Per Page: