Vanda Nosseo lands on a world that fights a lot of wars.
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This isn't conquest, it's defending their territory! They are not declaring their intent to start annexing any lands or do anything that wouldn't have done if Vanda Nosseo showed up, they will respect votes to secede, but they want to join Vanda Nosseo as a unit.

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Then they might want to make sure all the parts of their territory understand the process! Here are all the Elspeth clips they might want for this purpose about how voting works and how secession and freedom of movement work.

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Grumblegrumblegrumble. Does this mean the war is going to continue?

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Yeah... about that. We don't neighbor any Holy League countries any more and his current peace offer is "if anyone quarrels with us we can just leave."

Also we just almost had a civil war and a large portion of our capital's population is mysteriously missing.

We're OK with talking peace terms.

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WE are not making peace! WE ARE GOING TO GET OUR LANDS BACK!

(Vanda Nosseo may have to do a lot of teleporting on the Gerontmarkh-Ljudizem border, at least until Marek Gerontmarkhen has the apoplexy he's been threatening to for A While.)

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These traitors and renegades will soon be crushed and then the army of Desnau will return to service against foreign enemies.

What land, exactly, do we get after we win the war? It can't be any in Ljudizem...

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The present government is firmly committed to continuing to prosecute the war, to liberate the world from Montrege's tyranny and punish his attempts to end the freedom of all the nations of the world. Unless there is a crisis of confidence in the government (like the one triggered by Vanda Nosseo's recent BETRAYAL) it loses an election, such as the election it has just called in response. If the present government is not retained, the new government will presumably obey the will of the people.

Sorry, everyone! That's what being a republic means!

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Vzhoudoun will not yield, and will continue opposing the unholy tyranny of the false Admiral to the bitter end.

Unless Wolcyn is out. It's not going to go up against Montrege alone, sorry, he's got the Weaver and the Tiger Cub and like sixteen other scary generals. We need a coalition to keep this up.

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There are, of course, quite a lot of governments-in-exile maintaining regiments of refugees, loyalists and mercenaries in the field, not to mention very minor powers, but most of them are funded by Wolcyn. They will loudly protest any attempt to end the war with the enemy still in control of their territories, of course, but most of them are more intent on petitioning their allies to bother trying to come to any Vanda Nosseo-related solution.

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Which is why it is ethnic separatists of one of the more minor ethnicities in the Grand Kingdom of Tremadia (whether they are a Coalition or Holy League member depends on whether you prefer the man who was king ten years ago or his oldest son; the two are at war) who are the first non-officially-recognized-state to try and persuade Vanda Nosseo to support their campaign of independence. They have grit, determination, and lots and lots of volunteers; they do not, really, have money, printing presses, or the ability to distribute separatist literature without getting murdered. Which of these can Vanda Nosseo help with?

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Well, the important thing is whether they have a fairly clearly defined area in which they are a preponderance of the citizenry. Or if they'd like to move to another planet, that's a lot easier logistically speaking. On a smaller scale, they can buy printing presses for a song, and resurrection insurance for somewhat more than that but it's not actually impossible to pull it together if they do lots of interviews and sell off Genuine Local Artifacts and get subsidized by free-speech-interest-groups and only want to buy it for a handful of brave pamphlet distributors.

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Then they're going to organize that! They have a clearly defined area (a regional subdivision in which their language is used in local governance), some obsolete offices of theoretical self-governance which have become a privilege of the nobility, and want to get lots and lots of pamphlets and then organize a vote.

And they are prepared to set off giving lots and lots of interviews about their Distinct Local Culture, which they assure the people of Vanda Nosseo has lots more of (what does Vanda Nosseo like... gender equality and democracy and universal human rights? sure) gender equality and democratic traditions and customs of universal human rights than the evil occupier. They're ready to do healings with replica demon-made hero crests that are exactly like the ones they used to use back home and sell off art from their traditional painters and sculptors and are eager to get all the subsidies they can, so their pamphlet distributors can explain what the correct answer will be when Vanda Nosseo holds a vote.

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The free speech types pick up their cause when it's waved at them and they can insure some people on the proceeds of all this activity!

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Then they are going to want to start spreading the word, aren't they?

... As soon as it becomes clear that Vanda Nosseo is willing to fund attempts to secede, the free speech types have lots and lots and lots of other people who claim to represent oppressed minorities and want lots of money to support their attempts to get independence! Some of them are even telling the truth!

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The free speech types are pretty narrowly into free speech? There might be other charitable organizations more interested in oppressed minorities looking to gain independence if they can explain how the standard Vanda Nossëo playbook isn't cutting it for them.

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The standard Vanda Nossëo playbook sort of assumes your country isn't arbitrarily-divided chunks of provinces of foreign countries that murder anyone who tries to organize secession, see. How about they get lots of money and hero crests and advanced technology? That sounds like the sort of thing that would let them organize votes properly.

(Some of them include 'bodyguards' in the list. Others don't bother.)

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Hero crests seem like the sort of thing that would let them do lots of stuff other than organize votes, but if they can affirm that's actually all they mean to do with them under truth spell, sure, that seems doable.

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Oh wow no, nine-tenths of them are aware in their own minds that this is just an attempt to soak Vanda Nosseo for money and goodies, and almost all the remaining tenth of them would have lots and lots of uses for hero crests other than vote verification after they had them (like, say, to defend their new nation from invaders and/or rebels, or to heal people, or in some cases just so they could fly and have superpowers and be generally high-status.)

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Yeah, so, no unless they find some purer-hearted secessionists, but hopefully the vote will come around to everyone in good time.

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The secessionists grumble.

A large fraction of the population of the planet leaks into Vanda Nosseo. And the war continues.

Every side in the war has, at this point, recognized Vanda Nosseo's overwhelming technological and hence military superiority. They are therefore trying what can best be summed up as a dictionary attack to try to get access to high-tech weapons. Or explosives mining equipment! Or bulletproof flying cars rugged transports! Rockets "for use in space travel!" Songs of terror elven recordings of a wide variety! Books on how to make better guns histories of technological development! Disappearance mages to make their enemies (or their enemies' continents) disappear! Any possible sequence of words that might be able to unlock one of these will probably be spoken by someone, whether an ambassador trying to negotiate foreign aid or a rebel leader pleading for assistance to protect his people or a citizen of Vanda Nosseo (of Ljudizem or an expat from Wolcyn) going about his perfectly legitimate business and then sending the proceeds to the side of his choice.

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These attempts don't always work, but they do often enough for materiel to wind up funneled in, erratically and with a bias toward things that at least take a little creativity to be usable in war for anything other than harm-reduction.

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Weapons are prepared. Some of them are used, very quickly.

The capital of Wolcyn is bombed from the air! It turns out that that it's harder to obtain radar that can find a person-sized object than it is to buy ordinary chemistry equipment, look up the formula for TNT in a textbook, and make it, then have an ace haul it overhead to physically drop along with whatever they could get intended for the mining industry. It's not much of a bombing, by war standards, but the city is largely made of wood, and it starts burning very quickly.

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Well, if Wolcyn would like help with that nobody from Vanda Nossëo wants anyone to be on fire.

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They would like help with that!!!

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Then they will put out the fire and heal the casualties. Will these people PLEASE stop fighting. Don't they all want to like, listen to music and read books and play with their kids and learn to paint and join their friends for beer/pickup soccer/orgies/whatever people here are into??

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