Fenris makes a face. "It's only the four of you? Or have you 'woken' more people up?"

"Just one, Lilith's girlfriend Morgan, but she moved back to her place after becoming a person to acclimate."

"And it happened to that asshole Count Straus, who is in fact a vampire but keeps pretending he's not and going against everything I've been working for—"

"Before you wake your parents," interrupts Red, "you do need to think about—whether they'd want you to do it. It's not all upside, and the world could... be better."

"Did Count Straus wake up on his own too? And I guess we do need to fix things, but I don't see why that is a reason to keep people... as not people." He makes a face.

Felix buries his face on Fenris' shoulder (who pats him).

"Well..." Thunder says to Fenris. "I guess they don't suffer as much when 'sleeping'? Or Are there other reasons?"

"No, that's pretty much it. People... die. And, you know, getting them back from the dead is doable, but it seems altogether easier to only turn them into people once we have scalable solutions to mortality and all that."

"And vampirism is a good one at that, which is part of why I've been trying to get vampires more accepted."

"I think I was trying to work on that? Or at least... dunno, it doesn't sound like a new resolution. But, I guess it's not a bad approach."

"Wouldn't it be easier to convince them if they are woken up and able to help?"

"Maybe! But as far as we know it's irreversible and having the looming threat of death in the horizon does not help."

Caleb vampire-runs to an unoccupied seat.

"Also most people are, not to put too fine a point on it, crap. Being... like this... there's..."

"So there's the other thing which is that it looks like the universe changes to uh. Help us."

"I never founded the free bodies movement, it just kind of started existing at around the same time I decided that since everyone isn't people I don't need to bother wearing clothes anymore. It was suspicious."

"And once I started being public about being a vampire and all that there were a lot of other people doing the same. People who... I had never heard of. Who probably didn't exist before."

"If becoming a person like us means that the world starts listening to your opinions about how it should be shaped, then..."

"Well, I am definitely in favor of immortality and not a fan of clothing. I don't even think it matters that there are people around or not? And I guess people should be... better in general. Help others. Or just help themselves in pro-social ways."

"You could start the Forever Nude movement, which combines immortality and nudism."

"And people... are not really that bad?" Felix says to Caleb's comment. "Especially if the problem here is them not actually... being people. Clearly, they can't think the right way to be good in the state they are."

"That'd be all well and good except Count Straus is a person and is still an evil bastard."

"Our point was more that if the universe listens to what people think to decide what to be then at least the first few people to exist should be... good. To shape it for the next people."

"And, again, being a person is not all roses. Let's see, you are now very conscious about how your tongue is in your mouth, and also you're breathing manually, and you can feel your face. Oh and on a more real matter you might be thirsty, which is really not something you had before. And wait until you sleep for the first time."

They make faces as Cor says this. "Well, now I am really aware of those things, thanks."

"What happens when you sleep? And what is the Count doing? Attacking people and escaping the consequences?"