She starts laughing. "No, they—" More laughter. "No."

"Sadly that is not how the system works."

"I mean even if it were he's irredeemable."

Anthony tries not to seem too visibly – disgusted – by this.

"He basically believes himself to be right and correct, it's not like he's doing it out of spite."

"He could consider that – what he's doing – is wrong because it breaches other generally good principles."

"Like which? Not going to Hell is a pretty strong one."

"… Right, but interfering with people on this level about things personal to them in such a way is… against principles I wish more people had?"

"Sure but better than going to Hell."

"Better than them going to Hell, or would he also do it if he didn't interfere?"

"Better than them going to Hell, yeah."

"… I feel like surely he could think of less destructive methods to achieve that, ones that are even more likely to work."

"If doing gay things sends you to Hell what method other than preventing gay things from being done will help?"

"Trying to convince you through less… abusive means?"

"Mmhm?"

"It's still hopefully – hopefully for him – preventing gay things being done but… on a level that's more likely to convince you? Instead of just make you rebel."

"Right, I'm just wondering what possible method you're thinking of that's not inherently abusive."

"… I was thinking him trying to explain his point of view to you, possibly repetitively, but depending on how much that was being recommended it might just end up being – indoctrination."

"And it's not like he didn't try that, he raised me.—after mom died, that is."

"… It seems like he escalated poorly."

"How would you've?"

"He could have tried to not antagonize you, maybe consider you'd change your mind once you're less – teenage, rebellious or whatever?"

"He's got more than ninety IQ points, he knows that's not how it works."

"… Really? So – why does he expect this other method to work better?"

"He can in fact control me enough to not let me do gay things. Mostly. If I'm not careful."