Probably not. And, yeah, Angband is supposedly more secure than Tol-in-Gaurhoth though they actually had that particular prisoner dangling from a cliff face out front to tempt someone into the relevant suicide mission -

...I don't suppose we can tempt Sauron into dangling Beren out front for you...

Seems unlikely. Seeing as last time it backfired on them - assuming that in fact it did -

Oh?

I mean. The Enemy had him for nearly fifty years, then he gets dangled out front and miraculously rescued - my father's super paranoid but you don't have to be him to wonder -

Yeah. I don't know how paranoid the rest of the Noldor leadership is, but you'd think they would have found out if he was a saboteur...

Depends how subtle, right? Or if there's a trigger for him to turn on them, or - but I know all of this thirdhand, it's even possible important details are wrong - and the rescue mission would have just been a mercy kill and suicide if the Valar hadn't intervened -

Yeah, fifty years is a long time, if he weren't an elf I definitely wouldn't trust him, but maybe he swore to never do the Enemy's will due to conditioning in Angband? Or just that he wasn't conditioned to be a saboteur. Would that work? 

Escapees of Angband usually won't swear things on account of believing they're still in Angband. But maybe he's different, dunno.

"I swear that if this is real I will not do the Enemy's will due to conditioning experienced in Angband?" But, wait, if they think it's not real that doesn't actually stop them from doing things... What happens if you accidentally break an oath?

Can't - like, if someone swears not to murder me, and then they stab someone not having any reason to think it's me, the oath won't attach at all - if it didn't work that way you could use oaths for highly effective divination -

But if they actually murdered you, would they die or something? "I swear not to do cause material harm to the war effort opposing the Enemy, nor to cause material harm to simulations of the same"?

No, nothing happens if you accidentally break an oath unless you swore that specifically, and even then it wouldn't hit until you knew you'd done it - that might work, depending that counted as material harm -

"I swear not to knowingly or unknowingly cause harm to the war effort or simulations thereof" is probably too broad. What happens if it's broken?

Most kind of oaths you just - can't break, if you're trying to ignore them everything else fades away until you don't care about anything else....

Nod.

"I am sure that the Noldor have put much more thought into this than I have."

Yeah, probably. But just in case we probably don't want to go to Himring even if Brethil's not working.

"That sounds wise. I wouldn't trust a Fëanorian even if he weren't the Enemy's puppet." Well I would, but Talrod wouldn't. Could we use words mostly I still need practice?

"The problem is I don't know if Eithel Sirion is much better and we need weapons from somewhere." Why would you?

"I suppose me walking to the Doriath border and saying 'Your princess is about to rush into danger, want to give her some weapons so that she has a higher chance of survival?' won't end with us armed and provisioned."

I'd trust them enough to chance speaking to them and hearing their side of things. What you've passed on to me is now fourthhand. Celegorm seemed better than Curufin.

"Yeah, they'd try to stop me and they'd probably just shoot you."

"Well, that's why you wouldn't be going to the border, if we don't give them any reason to think they can stop you they might help. It's remotely possible that that reasoning might work with Nargothrond..." I have to write them anyways to arrange for Huan's help in testing things if possible...

"I"m guessing Nargothrond wants me to get caught because then my father'd definitely join their war effort."

"Perhaps they can be blackmailed into it, nothing to stop Thingol from hearing about how they didn't stop you and didn't help you..." That's a terrible idea and we shouldn't do it. Curufin doesn't want any risk of me being captured.

Probably not, yeah.