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"You don't learn as much as you might expect from losing a fight with the Osirian military but I guess they might pick something up."

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"I was more worried about them being smart enough to try to learn things before they launch an invasion plan."

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"I guess they might do that."

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"I feel like it's - we don't really know enough about them to make sound plans with a lot of moving parts."

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"We're gonna have to make some kind of plans to get the kids at all."

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"Yeah, I agree with that. But the more people you have to think about, the more complicated things are going to get, right? And sparking a war between two countries, potentially between two planets, is involving about as many people as possible, right away."

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"It is! But on the other hand, we'd get to murder the guy."

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"I suppose that is also a consideration."

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"I'm not 100% clear how compelling Cecelia finds it but it's at least any compelling."

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"Kind of means changing your strategy about how to get the kids, right, if you're going to make sure Cecelia's new friends kill their father."

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"We probably shouldn't."

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"At least not until you have a better idea of how you'd do it without causing more problems, I think."

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"Like, even then, we probably just shouldn't be in the business of going around killing people who suck. Even if it'd be their own fault."

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"I guess that is probably also something that good people ought to concern themselves with, yes."

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He looks kind of confused.

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" - I just mean that I'm not really a moral authority on anything and I'm not sure I can give very meaningful advice on that."

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"I don't - think it gets harder to figure out what's good for people if you're aiming for Axis or whatever. Hell."

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"I just - would not really expect my perspective on this to be particularly valuable to you. It's not even particularly valuable to me."

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"I usually find your perspective on things to be valuable. Like Fazil's. Or Mahdi's. Even though we're going for different things."

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Nod.

"I don't actually have strong opinions on when it's appropriate to kill someone. At least not in situations as weird as this one."

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"I - struggle a little bit with whether the emperor of Scandinavia is worse than - my entire family - and that makes this hard for me to think about very usefully I think."

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"That makes sense. 

"I - kind of think that especially in situations where the person you're killing is an emperor, it's maybe smart to think about the political effects of his death more than how much he personally deserves to be alive. And right now we don't know them."

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Nod.

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"Anything else?"

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"Nah, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you."

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