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"Probably! Solitary confinement is considered torture by enlightened standards."

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"Huh. I think most prisoners don't prefer company but I guess it's entirely possible that all the company they typically get also counts as torture by enlightened standards."

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"Seems plausible! Even if somebody doesn't harm them on a given occasion the threat being present does, indeed, by enlightened standards, count."

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"Does setting standards that high result in better outcomes or does it result in everyone regarding the standards as absurd and not usable to distinguish average people from bad ones?"

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"Depends how you implement them. And the people judging the situations."

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"Probably at some point you should talk with my brother about the standards faery courts could be reasonably expected to adopt, people aren't my specialty when they aren't making freely negotiated trades."

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"I did look over some formal standards of this sort of thing but they're hard to translate, they rely a lot on common sense as of the time they were written for how to implement their details."

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"And we are different from humans, a lot of the rules for humans might not be a good set of rules for us even if you could get everyone to agree to abide by them."

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"I think it's likelier that they'd be more conservative than necessary than that they'd be actively harmful, if they were used with a mind to the distinctions between species, but sure, maybe there's something in there that'd really hurt a faery."

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"I mean, I think 'you can't have sex with prisoners' would make being a prisoner substantially worse, for most faeries."

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"You can't have sex with your own prisoners, you can let prisoners have conjugal visits with third parties. Still bad?"

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"No, that'd be fine."

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"Oh good."

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"Makes it hard for prisoners to pay for anything but I don't know that that's enough to make them worse off. It'd depend on the specific situation."

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"The fact that faeries can't lie might mean that you could reasonably dispense with a lot of line-drawing humans have to do to manage incentives and stuff. You could just say you didn't have those motives per case, or promise not to do whatever thing's down the metaphorical slippery slope."

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"Huh. Yeah, probably."

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"So I guess it could even be possible with a thorough enough understanding of exactly why humans should not have sex with their prisoners for faeries to credibly announce that this did not apply to some individual situation but I do think for best results I'd want to hold out for that understanding."

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"This sounds reasonable enough to me but I'm not - there are a lot of considerations about getting everyone to agree to things that I'm probably not thinking of. I do think it's a good goal, and probably achievable."

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"Considerations about getting everyone to agree to things?"

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"I assume the idea here is, once you have a set of standards, getting people to abide by them."

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"Oh, yes, there are clearly steps I'm eliding here in describing my utopian vision of faeries cutting it out with all the raping people all the damn time."

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"I'd say it sounds impossible but you have a lot to bribe people with."

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"In a million years perhaps I will send a letter to the inventor of the potato chip thanking him for his contribution."

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"You're adorable."

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"The potato chip was invented out of spite! Someone kept asking at a restaurant for, I think it was crispier fries, and a guy in the kitchen was like, he wants crispy, I'll give him crispy, and made potato chips, and the guy loved it! Because potato chips are good."

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