"Stuff?"

"Just, you know, evil law firm assistant stuff. Keeping coffee machines stocked. Getting weird demon snacks for weird demon clients. Emails. Faxes. Calling people to get blood out of the carpets. - like twice, they mostly kill people in meeting rooms."

"Did the recruiters, uh, claim they were good guys, or..."

"No? Or, I mean, what, do you start safety negotiations with 'Hi, I'm a good guy, are you also a good guy? Because I am only OK with asking good guys for help defending me from immortal super strong serial killers.'"

- gaaah that was a stupid thing to say why is she stupid.

"So you ...didn't know their reputation and they offered to protect you?"

"No, I knew. I just - " - didn't care? But she did, of course she did. Had to protect her kids? But she is not discussing the kids. Was scared? Yeah, that's a great excuse, Karen, great job. "I just, you know, they knew what they were doing, they came the same world the vampires did, and I just - it seemed like I would live longer if I took it. Maybe."

"Why were there vampires after you in the first place?"

" - it's dumb. Asked the wrong person for money."

"I'm sure this has occurred to you, but is it possible the vampires work with Wolfram and Hart to shove recruits their way? And eat the ones who decline, of course."

"You know, gosh, maybe. That changes the situation so much."

She's stupid, she's stupid, why is she even engaging -

" - look, I've made a lot of dumb decisions, OK."

"That doesn't sound like a dumb decision but sure, I believe you."

"Well, sorry. I don't know what you're looking for here."

"Picture of the situation? Also sometimes we have to deal with Wolfram and Hart employees and it's useful to know how evil they are versus how stuck. And, like, whether -

- I'm really not very good at talking, maybe you should just have these conversations with someone who is -

- hurting people is bad for you, that's not very controversial, right, I'm not going out on much of a limb there?"

"Hurting people is not my favorite part of my job, no."

"So, we could imagine that - hurting people is mostly bad for people because it means they get sent to a hell dimension and if you fixed that you'd have fixed everything, problem done, go home. Or we could imagine that hurting people is bad because people have a good angel on one shoulder and a bad angel on the other shoulder and once you're in the habit of listening to the bad angel you'll keep doing it and then you'll be bad in the future even if the circumstances change - I'm oversimplifying, but, some people think about the world as if it works like that, right?"

"I... guess?"

"Or you can think about having done something evil as exactly the same as having done some other stuff, no effects at all. Or you could think about having done something evil as needing Macalaurë to go figure out a penance and get it all cleared up with God. Or you could think about having done evil as - having had something bad happen to you, which hurt a lot, and which will probably keep hurting until you fix it - and like, what fits best depends on the person? And depends on the evil? But I mostly find that for most people you have the easiest time predicting them if you just imagine they got hurt a lot. Which is interesting."

"I should definitely have left this to someone who's good at words. But if you corner someone into shooting a lot of people you traumatize them, right, that's why soldiers come back fucked up, from wars. And they do that exactly the same if they were fighting for the bad side, and I think they do it more if they knew it was the bad side. And - 

- uh, anyway, vampires are not like that, and some humans are probably more like vampires, but it's useful to know whether most people at Wolfram and Hart are like vampires or if they're - cornered and would mostly probably benefit from trauma therapy not that they've noticed."

"I don't know. Depends on the person, I guess."

"Who'd have thought. If I were running an evil organization I'd think I'd want to hire evil people for it but I guess maybe the part they like is making normal people do evil things."

"Really haven't sorted our employees by evil quotient. Though Anna from accounts says she thinks they're gonna try."

"Really? Why?"