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"Of course not," he says soothingly. "That is perfectly reasonable. Now - you say of Colonel Guiretz, that 'he dare not speak of utter annihilation.' Why not? There are many ways this can be interpreted, you understand..."

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"I cannot speculate as to his reasoning, Praepositor, beyond to observe that - if he had composed a speech in which he spoke candidly of the total annihilation of the city, and asked permission to give it, would you have advised him to speak?"

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"I would not have expected it to be a wise decision for his career, but you know as well as I that it is the duty of soldiers to risk their prospects as well as their lives in defense of civilization. Certainly I would have attempted to provide him some assistance with his wording, should he be chosen of Aroden."

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So you can speak of the losses, if you're prepared for them to reflect on you. That is...less bad than she feared, actually. "What about Palais? Is it permissible to say that there were twelve battalions stationed there, and the men fought bravely, and the city fell, and yes it was unfortunately striken by plague but that was probably enemy action too?"

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"Certainly Urgathoa is enemy of the Empire," Praepositor Emilian says, "but at that point it begins to raise certain distressing questions regarding General Anghelas, certainly a man of great devotion to the empire and to the work of Aroden, and perhaps even to suggest that his appointment may have been in error." Which itself casts some doubt on the Grand Domestic and thereby the Emperor, hmm?

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So you can speak of the little losses. But not the big ones. And not enough of the little ones to constitute the big ones, presumably. 

 

"...I understand. And the defense I would raise of General Anghelas, that he is fighting an enemy it last time took Aroden Himself to beat, and that losing therefore reflects not at all on his competence beyond that he is not Aroden, and should also not be assigned to go raid the palace of a demon lord - I cannot raise, because the Church is not committed on that question."

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Oh good she seems much more sensible than most paladins. "When Aroden defeats someone they usually stay defeated," the Praepositor says, "and to prove an exception in this case, unlike that of the last seven Pseudo-Tar-Baphons, would be a difficult thing to do."

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"If we go, Praepositor, to Axis, and run our Commune in His own holy house, where Tar-Baphon would not dare disrupt it, I think I know what answer it will give. I am aware that I am no one, to Oppara, and I do not have the resources to order this. I think that the Church should have done it as soon as you got contradictory results, but - I suspect he managed the contradictory results in the first place by compromising the Church, so I'm not surprised it didn't happen. 

But the Empire will not survive our continued ignorance of this matter. Even if this seems, to you, implausible, even if your best guess is that there is some other cause for the contradictory Communes, that we would expend these resources in foolishness and return home feeling very silly - I think that Aroden would want us to ask in every situation that looks like this situation, for the sake of those ones where the Empire is at stake."

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He does not have the resources to order this and if he did do this it would not work to solve the problem. "The Church of Aroden has certainly considered this position," he says.

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But regrettably the Church of Aroden has been infiltrated by Tar-Baphon. It at least seems a live possibility. "I am glad to hear it."

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Unfortunately, 'unusually sensible for a paladin' does not seem to mean 'knows what she is doing in Oppara.' "Now, if we may set aside this issue for a moment, may we turn to your accusation of treason against Colonel Guiretz?"

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"Praepositor, I didn't call it treason and don't know if it is."

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"Perhaps I misunderstand, since I am hardly a soldier. May I hear, in your own words, an explanation of how failing to mention the deaths of a thousand imperial soldiers with the loss of their wizards and command staff and supplies and equipment* is nontreasonous, and what it would be instead?"

(*: He is using a term that implies "magical equipment.")

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"I think - everybody is stuck in this situation where they cannot just candidly report what is going on. Colonel Guiretz felt he could not write an emergency request for more men that said the city had fallen entire overnight. His superiors, I think, had the same suspicion, as they didn't write back to ask about losses, and it's not an inconspicuous thing not to include. And everyone expects that they cannot just tell the Emperor 'the war is much worse than you realize and the Empire will be lost unless you change approaches to it'. 

If Colonel Guiretz felt that he could not write down what really happened because he would face career embarrassment, then I think we agree that he did not fulfill his duty. But if he thought that if he wrote down what really happened he would offend someone and get fewer men and thus fail in his duties- and I think it's something like that, often -

In my order I charge lying separate from treason. But mine is a very young order. If it lives to grow old we'll see if that works any better."

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"I trust that you recognize that by claiming he could not refrain from sending a false report to his superior is that his superior would be obligated to falsify his own reports to General Anghelos who is himself obligated to falsify his reports to the Grand Domestic, you are not reducing the number of eminent and devoted patriots of the nation you accuse of serious crimes. Do you mean to say that the Grand Domestic falsifies his reports to His Imperial Majesty, may the righteous gods smile.on him? Do you mean to say that His Imperial Majesty, may the righteous gods smile on him, falsifies his prayers to Aroden?"

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"My oaths do not actually permit me to lie to you just because you would clearly prefer it if I did."

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Okay, he is going to try to just be really, really blunt. "Knight-Commander," he says, "I know it must be a great burden to be away from the front for so long, and I have no doubt your knights greatly benefit from your presence. If you are incapable of doing other than speaking your honest opinion regardless of whether or not it violates imperial laws against slander, I think it would be in the best interests of the Church of Aroden for you to return to them and take up again the duties at which I am confident you excel." Far, far, far away from the capital.

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"You have persuaded me that it is not possible to say the thing that I think must be said without breaking the law, and I have no desire to break the law. I appreciate your guidance." 

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"I am very glad to have given it." Before she did something that would go horribly, horribly wrong. "I will, of course, write to expedite your journey home, as I have no doubt your order is greatly in need of your services. Do you have a celestial steed or should I have a pass for the post roads written for you?"

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She has to refuse that. She has to refuse that very carefully, because whether her alternative plan is any good depends on whether she can muster carefulness at need, and she thinks so but has given him little reason to think so. 

She is tremendously irritated with the man. She would do better, even if the person who came to her saying that their cause was the fate of the whole world was a barbarian and not a fellow priest of the same god, even if they were obviously mistaken and no feature of the situation suspicious. She would at least answer them by saying that she thinks what they are saying is untrue and explaining what would convince her that it was true. 

But the irritation isn't serving her and needs to go. She thinks he has been trying to be helpful. The thing he has been trying to helpfully do is explain why it is impossible to save the world and they should just give up, but - there aren't unworthy priests of Aroden, and there are very few unworthy human endeavors, and his work moves him, and so has some quality that would move him, frustrating and useless as it seems to her. 

His is an important institution that would exist even in an ideal version of this city, that's probably the right starting point from which to find her way around to being moved by the things that moved him. It is important, that no one speak for the Church without knowing its teachings, even if its local teachings are enemy-induced insanity. If Oppara were - the thing she came here believing that it was - there would still have been a great many things wrong with her speech. And a great many people like her who believe their cause is the most important thing in history and are wrong, because of course most people who believe that are wrong. 

She doesn't understand him, and that is her error, she should have done the work to understand him before she came to speak to him at all. She can at least do it now. 

It's not time to boldly explain what's actually going on. It is time to patiently understand what it is like to be a person who cannot hear it.

"I understand why from your perspective it would seem dangerous for me to remain in Oppara, believing as I do a number of inconvenient things I cannot lie about. I hope you can see that from my perspective, this may be the last year it is not too late for the Empire to be roused to this danger, and it is not remotely the case that Aroden is best served by my death at the front lines if I could instead learn enough about Oppara to learn how to save it. I cannot agree with your assessment of His interests while we are so profoundly in disagreement about the actual situation at the front. If the possibility that the Church here has been compromised by the entity calling himself Tar-Baphon is already under investigation, I would be pleased to learn of it. If the true answer to those Communes which have been suspicious and contradictory has been discovered and is not public as part of some plan that will actually save us, I would be pleased to learn of it. If the Church has justified reason to believe that the entity calling itself Tar-Baphon isn't, or some justified reason to believe that he is but our present course will suffice to defeat him, then I will happily die to play some trivial part in that course's fruition.

But if those things are not true, then from my present state of knowledge Aroden is best served by changing that.

I know that presently I am ignorant enough to pose a danger to the Church's interests, and I understand perfectly well that I can make matters worse in ignorance." Though not that much worse. Since the default is that everybody dies. "It is my intent to obey the law, and not speak publicly, and not mention outside the Church those respects in which I believe it to be catastrophically in error, while I try to learn enough that ceases to be true. I would try again next year, when I am older and wiser and can have a year's more experience and advice and reading material, if only I were sure we had one more year. We ...probably do.

I will exercise great caution, and not repeat any claim you have identified to me as a slander. And I will return to the front in the spring, when my return is expected, or sooner if Aroden so guides me."

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Sigh. "I can neither confirm nor deny to arbitrary second-circle paladins whether or not the Church is engaged in or has engaged in an investigation to determine if it had been compromised by the entity calling himself Tar-Baphon. The Church is attempting to support the war as best it can, as do all loyal servants of Aroden and of His Majesty." You are not cleared for any political discussion and you will never be cleared because no one who has sworn an oath not to lie can be. He can't say any of that because if he did say that she would not be able to deny it. "As the Taldane Empire is to be the seat of Aroden's prophecied return, it cannot be destroyed by any threat prior to the Age of Glory, and what is at stake is not all life but millions of innocent lives and souls, which the Church is struggling to preserve as best it can. The Church of Aroden urges all patriotic soldiers and priests to prosecute the war in defense of the Empire to the limits of their abilities." Go hoooooooome.

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It is in fact not unambiguous from History and Future that the Taldane Empire will be the seat of Aroden's prophecied return but she knew even before she arrived in Oppara that that was the kind of thing you couldn't say. There are other worlds. The prophecy could be fulfilled without this one. ...it is reason for optimism about there being some miracle somewhere that can save them, but at the same time it's confirmation the Church is underestimating the risk.

 "I am glad to hear that the Church is attempting to support the war as best it can." Did you know already how badly it was going, that's relevant to whether Iomedae can in fact do anything useful here and also he's going to refuse to answer. Did you ask Aroden if your interpretation about the Empire and his prophecied return was correct - no, of course they didn't, because it would be such an inconvenient fact to know if it was false. "You make an argument from doctrine that the stakes are lower than I imagine them which I am sure brings much comfort to those who contemplate the matter." 


The simplest thing would be to accept the pass home. If she wants to explain her non-immediate departure she could probably say that she wants to get some books while she is in the city. It is true. It will probably not cause him further worry. It'll give her some time to look around and try to make sense of Oppara and figure out if there is any winning move here everyone else is missing because they do not realize what they should be willing to spend to attain it. 

But it would be dishonest, to take the pass, to imply she's just going to pick up some books, and she is not going to start misleading the Church. This man is not compromised by Tar-Baphon and so he is her ally and so she will not mislead him. "I think there are more things that I need to learn before I can return, but I will endeavor diligently to learn them without expressing any opinions."

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Praipositor Emilian attempts to imagine this woman, who was so dissatisified with all existing paladin orders that she started her own, running around Oppara asking important people pointed questions without expressing any opinions of her own. His eyes do not boggle, because he's an Oppara politician.

"I would expect you to do better consulting your superior officers," he says, "than in Oppara."

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The thing is that you absolutely cannot, with the stakes this high, go to a city, meet exactly one highly selected person, and decide that's good enough. "Quite possibly, Praipositos."

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The thing is that you absolutely cannot, with the stakes this high, let a crazy idealistic paladin go wandering around Oppara spreading alarm and despondence. He spreads his hands. "Is there nothing I can do to convince you?"

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