"Why can't I just knock you out until it's over?"

"Are there options that don't involve killing you."

"Oh, knocking me out works if he's kind enough to make it time-limited, but I bet he's better at oaths than me, I don't think I can actually think around him there. And you're still going to need a me to talk the Findekáno into consenting to oath-clearing - and oath-clearing might not work - there might be options, let's think of one -"

"I rather doubt I can talk him into anything..."

"Figure out how to use the reader to translate chips into accessible information, chip Evil Maitimo if possible, kill him and take the chip out, fork you and have the fork pretend to be him long enough to release him from all the oaths he can?"

"Has a lot more moving parts. I don't have native osanwë, I bet me addressing him sounds different to Findekáno than the evil one addressing him."

"Find out how much personal discretion the security on staff has, wait Nechar out, get somebody new or the vigilante with a thing about rape?"

"Could she clear the oaths - killing him really doesn't do much for us without a way to clear the oaths -"

"No, she couldn't do that, I was just thinking that if your alt was locked up or chucked out we'd have more freedom to operate..."

"Yeah, true, a lot more - probably worth it, doesn't take very long to try - Bar, can Security decide to put someone in the holding cells for a while based on activity that's not technically rulebreaking, such as only raping people upstairs -"

"Given that security is guaranteed to be able to handle us I don't think we're going to get the anti-rape vigilante while we're considering prohibited anti-rape vigilanteism."

"I think it works on 'guaranteed to take us in a fight' not 'landlords are precogs and will put people in Security who would cause there to be less of a fight'."

"Yeah, but, like, there's kinds and kinds of able. I don't think I'd be psychologically capable of stopping someone who was beating up a Nazi."

"...fair enough."

The guidelines are in fact designed to make it difficult to get people arrested if you cannot provoke them into genuine violations of Milliways rules. That said, Security has some discretion around what degree of approach to outright rulebreaking they will tolerate.

"...okay, what about next time he comes down for meals following him up the stairs, knocking him unconscious, and taking him to one of our rooms and locking him in there, which is safe to do for up to a week, during which time probably the Findekáno comes down and we can deal with him with his - with evil Maitimo temporarily out of the way -"

"We're assuming a week subjective locked up for your alt isn't thirty seconds for Findekáno because...?"

"Because why would the landlords fuck with us like that.

Right."

"I think at that point we kinda have to kidnap him against his will because he literally can't let us and then the nice sorcerer is faced with someone doing a very good impression of a person who doesn't want their oaths messed with."

"Yep. Thus the 'win him in a bet' approach, or the much slower 'figure out what the fuck is up with my evil alt, make him stop' approach."

"Well, this is, again, slower only insofar as time is consistent - although I suppose it requires lots of his subjective time and he'll be going back up to Findekáno's room periodically, but we can't know that while Findekáno's alone up there it isn't giving him a week off -"

"I hope not, he'd starve."

"If you're in the backyard talking to your alt Findekáno can go down to Bar for food and up again a hundred times unless he's got a contingency order specifically about not going too long without checking in or something."

"Can probably check in over osanwë. Not sure if my alt knows yet how the time subjectivity works, did anyone explain it to Findekáno?"

"I don't think it came up."