And now we get the insane back-of-the-house early-convention nonsense.

"We have now heard the position of Calistria," he says. "As an Iomedaean, I wish to note that, as well as legalizing the assassination of everyone who ever won a fistfight, this gives every rich merchant the right to accuse any poor priest of murder and then go to a cleric of Razmir, god of greed, Gorum, god of conflict, or Norgorber, god of crime, bribe the judge, and have the entire matter settled that way."

"I don't think it should be legal to kill anyone who won a fistfight, but if someone punches you you should have the right to fight back. And greed and crime are both Evil so they should be covered by my proposal, unless Razmir and Norgorber being evil is something the priests lied about? I heard Gorum was the god of battle" hopefully that's true??? she's not sure "but I guess if there was a conflict between a soldier and a priest he might side with the soldier even if they were in the wrong. Soldiers aren't really ordinary people anyway."

"I think that Delegate Ferrer's proposals have some merit, but, yes, some are much too anarchic to include in the constitution of a reasonably lawful state. Protections for worship of gods and judging those gods to be adequate arbiters of legal disputes are not the same. Something similar with permitted Lawful gods seems worth considering, and even some Good gods, but Gorum would declare for whoever could win a fight, and that's just inviting warlords in. Also, Norgorber lives in Axis and Razmir lives on Golarion, so neither of them are in the lower planes."

"Why does Axis let him do that?? They should kick him out. I know that's not really our business to decide but he's literally the god of crime. ...I'd be okay with saying you can request it be judged by the priest of any Good god, the Good gods aren't going to let anyone get away with killing innocent people or anything." That excludes Calistria too, which she's not happy about, but she doesn't want them saying it has to be a Lawful god.

"I don't think I'd make a very good judge, and we're spread a little thin, cleric-wise, already."

"Well, he is the god of crime. They haven't caught him yet."

"I think at this point we are already relying on the clerics of Good gods - and the Abadarans - for everything they can be relied on and a little more."

If he's telling the truth about why they let Norgorber stay and this isn't some Hellish trick then that's a really dumb reason.

“Abadar is the god of cities and roads and money, and there’s always thieves in the city and on the roads and anywhere there’s money. I think that’s just how the world is, even if the city is axis.”

to Soler— “I trust your judgment more than a magistrate who didn’t get picked by a lawful and good god, already. But if it’s not your job and you’re busy, like Xavier said, maybe we shouldn’t need clerics to do it?”

"Perhaps it could be handled as a right of appeal? I've heard the state of justice in small holdings is pretty atrocious, if the local lord is corrupt. A small fraction of appeals with some consequences to the lord for having a local verdict overturned could keep them honest far out of proportion to the amount of cleric time used."

"...Not that I'd ask or want my own church to be one taking appeals, to be clear, even if other Lawful non-Good churches are permitted to. That would just lead to a repeat of this morning every time."

"I see no reason Delegate Lebanel's proposal should be a problem. Right of appeal to approved churches aligned with justice, including but not limited to Iomedae, Torag and Abadar, in all cases outside - how would you mean to handle it, Delegate Lebanel, if a hundred bandits are captured by a baron's men and the baron can't hold them?"

"That is a good question and I do not have a ready answer. Probably any satisfying answer is sufficiently complex that it leaves the realm of the constitution and becomes ordinary law which may be updated as complications arise and circumstances change. Was there any provision for a right of appeal of any kind in pre-Infernal Cheliax?"

“I have a question too, how do we stop the local lord from messing with anyone who tries to appeal? And how do we make sure everyone can appeal, some of us can't write letters and are serfs who aren't allowed to leave their lands or even servants who can't really leave the manor."

"Maybe a right to go to a good temple on holy days? That one's good on it's own, even without needing it for appeals."

"I like a holy day as much as anyone, but if one happens to fall during an emergency you don't want everyone to have an excuse they can all pull out one after another."

"Right to travel freely would be the simplest way. Never been fond of serfdom, myself."

("Nil, could you?", she whispered earlier, and her bodyguard started an unseen servant taking notes.)

Proposed Rights

- No sumptuary laws, except for criminal impersonation of military, noble, or religious insignia

- No limits on peaceful assembly, in public or otherwise, outside conditions of martial law.

- No limits on peaceful speech, conditions to be decided (martial law, proselytization for banned gods)

- Right to travel freely without needing a travel pass.

- Right to worship any god not of the lower planes.

- Right to justice (clarify?)

- Right to their own person, free from being defiled by force.

- Right to defend themself against assaults on their person,

- Right to retaliate against past assaults on their person significantly later

- Right to have crimes judged by a priest rather than a local noble, or right to appeal crimes to a priest (decide which gods)

- No decrease in punishment for crime from a title or position as a priest (or military officer?), and perhaps an increase in punishment due to the increased responsibility

- Right for farmers to own the land they work.

- Right to divorce. By consent, or if there is no child nor pregnancy, or if a priest hears the dispute and judges it allowed, and possibly unconditionally for wives.

- Right to pilgrimages to temples on holy days

"The best thing would be something like the Asmodean Inquisition except instead of hunting out heresy they're checking that no one is abusing their power."

"I heard the words 'something like the Asmodean Inquisition' and am immediately concerned."

She thinks. If you could have anything, be free of any interference from the state, aside from things already listed - ?

"Right not to be made to punish someone else, except as a condition of voluntary employment. - this may have consequences I don't foresee. I am thinking about schools."

"Might not even need something official for that, the clerics of the gods like Milani or Cayden are going to go around finding abuses of power on their own, I think. Just need to help them and get them to trust the appeals thing instead of solving everything alone."

"I assume we're going to go twiddle the details of these later? They're none of them egregious but there's a few I'd quibble over."

"I am definitely assuming that we're listing first and debating later." Because several of those are INSANE.

"I don't think we want all of these rights, but certainly some of them are important, positive changes."

"I want to add some more rights too, if we're just adding to the list. I'll need some help with making them make sense and sound right, afterwards." 

"A right to your family? So they can't send your kids to school by force, baron can't mess with your wife, army can't send your sons to the war. Or if we can't do that, at least no conscription until they're old enough. A right to your own work, for serfdom and indenture and all that. Or if that doesn't work, a time limit, so if you go into debt or they take you on a ship or something, it doesn't last more than ten years? A right to not be tortured? A right to not be taxed off your land?"

"Oh, Delegate Tallandria's suggestion gave me an idea — right for the victim to carry out the punishment for a crime, if it's possible and they want to. Like if someone is sentenced to be executed for something other than murder, their victim could be the one to swing the axe. But I just thought of that so it might have problems I didn't think of."

Tetula hears the clerics of the gods like Milani or Cayden are going to go around finding abuses of power on their own and something cracks inside her. 

The clerics of the gods like Milani or Cayden are going to go around finding abuses of power on their own, and that was the missing piece, that was what Cayden Cailean wanted from her, it's not about tavernkeeping and not about killing monsters although both of those are good things to do, it's about-- being safe, being someone you can talk to-- someone who isn't part of the law, someone who's not going to do anything if you don't want them to, but someone who can help you, who knows who turns a blind eye to what and who can be bribed and what the written-down laws actually mean, and who instead of using that knowledge to enrich herself or get more powerful is going to use it to help--

--someone who was there when the government itself was forming--

Korva is right that they don't need an Asmodean Inquisition because the Asmodean Inquisition is part of the systems of power and can't be a check on it, they need-- someone outside it-- 

the clerics of the gods like Milani or Cayden are going to go around finding abuses of power on their own