"Original victims' is an interesting phrasing."

"Unless I have been badly deceived the Doom was way out of proportion to the crime it was punishing."

"Can't say, but if your source is them -"

"I don't...think they lied to me when I asked for the exact terms of the Doom..."

"I meant more about the precipitating incidents."

"They killed a lot of people. In Valinor. Where the Valar could bring them back like that. To which 'you're going to die horribly and fail at everything and we're not going to bring you back even if your victims tell us we're being too harsh' is disproportionate."

"Never got the impression the Valar bring back the dead 'like that', even in Valinor."

"I may have been exaggerating slightly for rhetorical purposes. Still. At the point at which you say, 'even if your victims intercede on your behalf we're not going to let up' you're probably doing something wrong."

"Probably."

"I actually asked about the Feanorians' victims in the context of people-to-resurrect and was assured that it had probably happened by now, whatever scale within that time was used."

"Okay. It probably has happened by now, it's been four hundred fifty years."

"Yeah. Not that I have any real understanding of how Valar ideas of time compare to elf ones, let alone human..."

"I find the Valar wholly incomprehensible."

"I don't know if I know enough about them that I ought to comprehend them if it's possible."

"I think they're different from us in more fundamental ways than values and sense of time. And even the Elves seem bad at predicting them."

"Well, I already knew Morgoth doesn't make sense based on human mental architecture."

"Why's that?"

"Because he acts like a villain in a storybook, not someone who's using unsavory means to ends other than 'be gratuitously evil'."

"I...think he is a villain in a storybook, sort of, the way the Elves conceive the music of creation, their concept of fate..."

"I think that makes a lot of sense but the way fate seems to work isn't, you don't choose to do these things but do them anyway, so if you have someone who actually is a storybook villain then they probably have a psychology consistent with storybook villaining in a way the human brain generally isn't."

"Yeah. 

Do you really think you can kill him?"

"I think my magic doesn't have a cap on how strong it can get and unless he's actually some form of omnipotent I will at some point be able to tear him into atom-sized pieces of whatever the fuck Valar are actually made of and scatter them across half a dozen galaxies."

"Good."

"Yes."

"How much farther?"