"And there can be so many kids!"

"Yep!!"

"All the ice cream sundaes you could ever want," mutters Cam.

Dinner wraps up! Amentans head off. Probably to shower, but at least they don't say so.

"Well. Now you've met my family."

"Yes I have."

"Thank you for dinner."

"No problem."

"Let us know how the experimenting with trying doors goes."

"Will do."

He goes and tries doors. And checks the infirmary and the security office. And comes back.

"I can get a door to my house in Hell and a door to my dad's old house on Earth if I try but someone else lives in my dad's house now."

" - so we have deeply inconvenient access to your native dimension."

"Yeah. I mean, it's possible you could convince them out of the house, it's also possible you could sneak out the window and run off and then sell Makel's discography and buy it from them, but yeah."

"We don't speak the language - there are probably other cultural and social things we'd miss - how likely do you think it is that it's people who are born or who die in that dimension - as opposed to being humans in particular -"

"It could be humans in particular in which case it's sort of an urgency to get it to the Federation ones and also the ones in Arda. I really don't know. It could also not be 'born', could be 'conceived' or something."

"It's not very practical to have some Amentan conceived and born there and then wait until they die to make any decisions. I suppose it's not impossible."

"Weren't you talking about having a ton of them there?"

"If they become daeva, yes. If they don't then the only advantage to there over here is that they won't have neighbors to get nervous about their numbers, and they have the disadvantage of having to be pretty much out of contact with home." 

"No transit; there could be conjuration communication, that won't run into scaling problems for ages."

"Has to be pretty limited if we're keeping daeva secret. I suppose if we send enough of them some'll die young and we'll have an answer sooner."

"I'm just throwing ideas at the wall and seeing if they stick, here, I'm not committed to anything."

"Yeah, likewise. So possible things that make one a daeva include being conceived, born, or killed in your native universe - could be some other random milestone, I guess - and having been a summoner. Or being human and having been a summoner, or something we aren't thinking of..."

"Should've taught Endorë summoning before I went to populate New Valinor, there's humans there. Spontaneously generated humans but still."

"I don't suppose the Arda creator god is useful for anything with the right handling?"

"I don't think so."

"How hard do you expect a couple Amentans would find it to make enough sense of Earth to go through and sell Macalaurë's music and buy your house?"