" - my set would have made you find the idea of hurting a fly, let alone a person, utterly repulsive, and then come up with a creative idea like 'make you relive the lives of everyone you murdered, this will foster repentence' and pinned you down in Lórien to blunder around implementing that. And if you resented this they'd fix that, too."

"...that is substantially worse than what we heard from tiny you's set."

"Good! I do not want the multiverse to have many Valar like mine in it."

"It hasn't, which I fully agree is to the good. The regular ones are still bad though,"

"What would their handling have looked like -"

"Penned me up in Lórien without my magic, offered to let me out if I agreed to a modification to think it had been wrong, gone and put their alts back, alts would probably have considered forbidding summoning but might have been receptive to arguments about its use with respect to mortality and settled for making daeva powerless around Valinor. If Lórien seemed to be distressing to me they might've given me the run of their Valinor."

"Has any progress been made on convincing them that this would have been a less than maximally helpful course of action?"

"Yep, a couple of the good ones are talking to them."

"I will look forward to seeing what results from that. It'd also be useful to see how the competent Valar handle actual non-justifiable crimes, which my world does have."

"We do have a Melkor," she says. "He's in a virtual reality setup with most of his Maiar - a couple of them were wedged in bad oaths and they got off like the orcs did when we had a solution for that."

"You can erase oaths?"

"They might have to come up with something different for soul-based oaths, but in our world we just revised the entire system so that oaths can't bind future action, just confirm honesty or intentions or things like that. There's a little potential loss of utility but it got the orcs out of theirs, among other things."

"We do sometimes use it for law enforcement - if you murder someone you can be exiled or you can swear not to murder people - have to be inordinately careful with the wording but it gives us more choices -"

"...yeah, that makes sense. It might be that they could leave negative oaths open without allowing positive ones..."

"I think that would capture almost all the value, yes."

"They would probably really like to talk to you or someone you designate about the details first though."

Shiver. "I assume you don't have a different reembodiment and orc freeing and Enemy-handling solution just lying around. We'll talk to them."

"Technically have not tried seeing if a disembodied soul Elf can take up an empty body, but otherwise yeah that's the size of it."

"Sadly if they don't go to Mandos the Enemy can grab them, so even with Mandos as bad as it is everyone goes there, there aren't any disembodied souls just hanging around to try it..."

"This is among the reasons it has not been tried."

"How does the arbitrary objects thing work, how much information do you need to go off, can you do magic ones..."

"No magic, no minds, no another thing that will not make sense without more physics background. A sufficiently direct identification of the thing does it - title and author for a book, say, or an author's complete works and then I don't need titles but have to sort through them the long way."

"And humans can become this when they die?"

"Yup. Elves seem not to, presumably because you don't die very dead."

"Dwarves?"