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idk what recent events they're talking about tbh. i was as distracted as anyone else by volcanic range dying
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the-systematizing-instinct posted this:

Recent events have me thinking about Shelley Tate.

Shelley Tate, codenamed Pell Mell, is an esper who worked the 2030 confluence under the direction of Dungeoneers Without Borders.

Tate was and is almost certainly involved in organized crime.  At the time of the confluence she was wanted for questioning in connection with a protection racket.  Prior to that she was found not guilty of distributing controlled substances to minors in a trial marked by multiple credible, underinvestigated allegations of jury intimidation.  During the confluence she made a social media post implying she was connected with the hospitalization of Colleen MinorMultiple agencies have declined to work with Tate citing these allegations.  This is not a misguided person who made mistakes in her youth; this is a proud, even smug career criminal who bragged about her crimes with a thin veneer of plausible deniability during the time she was running dungeons.

Dungeoneers Without Borders claims not to have been aware of this, but Tate operated under her legal name and registered codename while working with them, and it is simply not credible that no one in the organization was aware of the highly publicized legal issues surrounding her at the time.  They chose nonetheless to deploy Tate or enable her deployment to multiple dungeons in countries like Indonesia, including Vector Grid (whose core she destroyed) and the now-infamous 2025.8.11.09099 (whose core I and many others do not believe Lackadaisical could have located without Tate's assistance).  Tate saved lives and by all accounts behaved quite professionally while doing so.  I'm not interested in debating whether this absolves her of her crimes, or what it says about her character, nor in tallying up lives saved versus harm done in expectation; but Tate was a resource which Dungeoneers Without Borders successfully deployed.  Tate acting alone could not have coordinated with Lackadaisical well enough to locate 09099's core, and any other esper organization would not have been able or willing to deploy her at all.  Because of Dungeoneers Without Borders' policy, people are alive now who would otherwise be dead, and Vector Grid no longer exists.

It was not a photogenic choice, or one that would play well with commentators, but it was a choice that saved many, many lives.


#discourse

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drug overdoses killed more people last year than vector grid killed in its entire existence, you moron


#drug use // #violence // #esper privilege apologism //

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Oh boy, you just love to see it, another utilitarian incapable of stopping for ten seconds to think about incentives! You can't just naively add up "harms of allowing a mob boss to run rampant" and compare them with "lives the mob boss saved as an esper". If you'll predictably extend leniency towards espers who've committed serious crimes, if you'll pretend like nothing happened and happily invite them to run dungeons for you, then espers who are considering committing serious crimes will be much more likely to, instead, not do that. The choice isn't between "DWB refuses to work with espers who commit serious crimes, dungeons get away" and "criminal espers in DWB, dungeons die", it's between "criminal espers in DWB, dungeons die, espers continue committing crimes" and "espers correctly recognize that committing crimes will go badly for them, don't commit crimes, still kill just as many dungeons."

EDIT: Please stop blowing up my inbox to tell me that DWB is not the government and doesn't decide who goes to jail. I am aware of that. But you can't completely disentangle the governmental response from the societal response. Do you think that the judge, deciding whether to declare a mistrial, was acting in a completely unbiased way unmotivated by the thought of whether Tate was going to be running dungeons? Do you think that whoever decided not to arrest her for putting Minor in the hospital would have done the same if they knew that either way Tate would be sitting the confluence out?


#discourse cw

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free-silver-lynx reblogged this from the-systematizing-instinct:

thank god, someone on this website with common sense


#free silver lynx

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I think espers should be allowed to commit murder as long as they murder fewer people than they've saved


#sarcasm cw #violence mention

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does it bother anyone else how this post conflates victimless crimes like selling drugs with decidedly-non-victimless crimes like assault?

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drug dealing is not a victimless crime you fucking moron


#drug use // #violence // #esper privilege apologism // #do i need a tag for drug dealing apologism

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