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recursive Sith apprenticeships, anyone? (or, timetravel ghost Vader acquires a teenage Palpatine)
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"Yeah."

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"Elesse - just - "

"Why?"

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"To which part?"

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"I don't know! Just - why did you talk to her, why did you hide talking to her - why everything!"

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"It seemed like a good idea at the time! She's been able to talk to three people, ever! I can't just- just leave her."

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Oh.

She knows what the Jedi Masters would say, but - "You pity her?"

Is that... Really a reason to speak to a Sith Lord? To hide her? (Is there any reason at all - and if there isn't, then what does that say about their world?)

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"What's the point of being a Jedi if I can't help someone who needs it?"

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"...I don't know. But..." 'What's the point of being a Jedi' sounds... Complicated, and like something the Masters probably should be the authority on. But... She speaks even as she thinks, finding it easier to pin down her thoughts that way amidst the chaos of this moment: "What is mercy, if not pity applied to the guilty? What is benevolence, if not pity fixed on a particular person? Yet neither pity nor mercy nor benevolence are part of the Jedi Code - and, Elesse..."

"You're a good person; that's more important than being a good Jedi."

"But... I want to help you if you need it - and how can I know what you need, if you won't talk to me? We're friends, damn it."

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"Didn't think I needed help."

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"Everyone needs help. And you've got me, whether you realize it or not."

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"Thanks."

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Nod.

...The ghost has faded out of view, but Meinwen doesn't really trust that means she's gone. The woman's been imperceptible before. Still, though...

"...I already told Master Antilles about you acting... Weird around Fidela. I don't know if she told Master Organa, or what either of them have guessed, but Master Antilles asked if I thought you'd been compromised. I... You need to come clean - or we need to try to deflect suspicion, or something. Clandestine meetings will only get you so far, and..." She puts a hand to her head and sighs. "And I'm worried about you."

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"I don't want to turn it into a fight if it doesn't have to be."

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"Would it turn into a fight, if you told Master Organa?"

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"If she told anyone else."

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"You think she would?"

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"I'm not sure she wouldn't."

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She doesn't know Elesse's Master well enough to dispute that. "I don't... Think... Master Antilles would report you to anyone other than maybe Master Organa. However she would think this course of action is... Ill-advised." Okay she'd probably call it dumb, but Meinwen is marginally more diplomatic. She'd also probably be right.

"We can also just... Start with talking to them about Fidela? She's less... Alarming. Say she reached out and asked to talk or something. ...Has she reached out?" 

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Mrrrrrr conflicting obligations. "Not... officially."

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...Okay yeah she's going to indulge in a single facepalm about that. "Elesse..." She shakes her head. "...I want to talk to her - either Fidela or Vader - by myself. And... Then I can honestly tell our Masters that I spoke to her."

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"Can you- try talking to her?" Elesse asks Vader.

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"I will." (She hasn't, actually, left, just tried to remove herself from view.)

She fades back in, stepping forward in an unnecessary pretense to stand in front of Meinwen. "Can you hear me alright?" she asks, actively striving to be visible. It's... Not something she does a lot, not anymore, and it's hard to reach out to lightsiders this way, but...

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Mace had always been perceptive - his alt is no different. 

Meinwen's eyes focus, and she nods, before looking at Elesse. "Do you want time to meditate, and I can talk to Vader now, or would you rather keep talking to me, and I'll talk to her later?" she asks, a bit overly formally but... Not coldly. Or trying not to be distant, at least.

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"You can go ahead and ask your questions."

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She'd wanted to ask in private, but... "You'd be more comfortable if we talked here?"

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