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recursive Sith apprenticeships, anyone? (or, timetravel ghost Vader acquires a teenage Palpatine)
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It's been several weeks since Palpatine last managed contact with Magister Hego Damask. It gnaws at her – he's been playing hard to get ever since he started encouraging her to have political ambitions beyond interfering with her father's campaign, and he's the only one who truly sees her. She suspects (knows) her father is intercepting her communications like she's some errant child – she's gotten more than a few stern lectures about Damask being untrustworthy, but her father is a jealous possessive asshole who refuses to give her the slightest independence, who seems determined to  treat her as a toddler until the day she turns twenty-one and can finally be emancipated fully.

(She doesn't spend even a moment considering whether Magister Damask has lost interest in her, no matter what her father says. He hasn't, he can't, and he won't. He'll surely be seeking her out sooner or later.)

When her university announces a month-long exchange program with its partner university in Hana City on Chandrila, an opportunity for mock trials and brushing elbows with the planet's political elite, she snatches a place on the roster as soon as she can. It'll be a chance to get out from under her father's heavy hand; even if she can't get in touch with Damask (she knows her communications will be spied on, even if they're no longer controlled), it'll be a loosening of the noose.

 

Magister Damask isn't waiting for her there, though. She hadn't expected him to. Instead, she puts her effort into making friends in Chandrila – especially people who might shelter her from her father if needed – and she spends her little free time wandering, doing her best to blend in, to breathe air free of Naboo and its chains. Gladean Park, an enormous wildlife reserve, draws her attention most, and she flits between that and the city near it, cutting through alleys and across rugged paths, wandering in a chaotic zig-zag until the weight of eyes upon her back llightens.

 

And it's one of those early days – one of those moments of fresh air before her father's security team wisen up – it's a cool and damp early morning, fog clinging to the river that cuts between Hanna and Gladean, lapping at the supports of the bridge Palpatine is walking over –

It's then that she sees the woman. 

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The woman shouldn't be very strange. She's human, and the cut of her clothing is odd – but there's a dizzying variety of fashion in the galaxy, so that doesn't mean anything at all except that she's possibly not from Chandrila. She's leaning against the railing when Palpatine sees her, looking out at the mists over the river, arms folded along the handrail. She isn't looking at Palpatine at first, but glances up as she approaches, and…

Her eyes are older than her face, and her gaze is heavy and intense.

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Palpatine feels suddenly like she's being stripped, her beating heart laid bare.

She freezes. What else could she do? The feeling of that woman's gaze is overwhelming. The hairs on the back of her neck rise, and a shiver races down her spine. She knows suddenly – and can't say how – that this woman is important. 

More important than Magister Hego Damask. He'd been the strongest clarion call Palpatine had ever felt – this woman makes that feel like a whisper. 

 

"Who are you?" she asks, words vanishing into the mists. Her ears ring, unable to believe that the world is silent when it should be reverberating. 

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The woman straightens and turns to face her more, and says: "My name is Vader."

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And then, as Palpatine blinks, she's gone.

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The reverberation in the world cuts out. It's massively disorienting, and Palpatine reels before regaining her balance in the world. She hurries over to where the woman stood – sees no puddling of water, no footprints, no dry patches, no indication anyone ever stood here –

Palpatine didn't hear her leave, and she shouldn't have been able to move that fast, not in the tiny moment Palpatine's eyes were closed. Not even Jedi are supposed to move that fast. 

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She takes a deep, shaking breath, and she stares out at the same misty river that had caught the woman's attention. 

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Over the next few days, the mystery does nothing less than consume her. She fits researching local legends, local people into every spare moment not taken by her other obligations. She returns to the bridge again and again – chafes as she realizes her father's spies have adjusted to that routine.

She doesn't know why this fever has overtaken her. She just knows that she needs to see that woman again. 

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She doesn't need to wait long, at least. Only a week after Palpatine arrived on Chandrila, on another path through the city, in a deserted square after dark...

The woman's sitting on the edge of a fountain, and she looks to Palpatine as soon as the teenager enters the square. "Good evening," she says, voice soft. She no longer looks at all ordinary, a soft blue glow suffusing her form. Palpatine can see the faint waver of the fountain's water through her.

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Good evening. Such inconsequential words, from a woman who's threatened to turn Palpatine's life upside down. 

"Where did you go?" she demands, rather than responding politely. "How did you disappear like that? How do you look like – like this?" Normally she wouldn't slip like this, would retain control of herself – but she's shaken, and she wants to know

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The woman smiles a little. "I apologize. Sometimes my ability to influence the world of the living is… Unreliable."

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Palpatine's breath rushes out of her chest. "You're saying you're a ghost?" she asks, trying for skeptical, but... Somehow, she believes the woman. 

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"Yes; I've been one for a long time, now."

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Palpatine steps forward, almost involuntarily. "I've heard legends about that – ancient Sith Lords who overthrew death." She'd have dismissed it as mere campfire tales, if not for the scant traces of historical archives she's found.

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"...They didn't. They just trapped themselves within it."

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"Wouldn't eternal existence even as a ghost be better than oblivion, though?"

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"There are worse things than death; worse things than forgetting," she says quietly. "Many of those ancient Sith Lords preserved only shattered remnants of themselves. Cursed angry things, unable to grow or learn, and their influence on the world is reduced to yet another scary tomb."

"I've kept my selfhood, but my freedom is still limited, just... Differently so. And my influence is even less than that of a cursed tomb – I've been reduced to no more than a whisper in the minds of the few who can hear me."

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Palpatine nods slowly. "You're more than a whisper to me, though," she says. "And even if all you can do is observe... You must know a lot."

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That gets Palpatine a pleased smile. "You're the first to see me so clearly, yes," she says, then she quietly pats the ledge beside her. "Come sit, and I'll tell you some stories."

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Palpatine sits, of course, as something warm sparks in her chest. But: "My father's security will catch up sooner or later, and they'll want me back at my dorm."

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"They won't find us. The Force shelters us tonight."

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"Are you a Sith Lord?"

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Vader sobers. "Yes."

"I'm a bit more ancient than your ghost stories, and it could be said I've grown beyond the Sith – but my proper title in life and death is Darth Vader." It has a heavy resonance to it, a weight that settles between them.

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Palpatine should flee – should at least be scared – 

She leans in, instead, noticing in a quick moment that the woman's taller than her – Palpatine still hasn't hit her teenage growth spurt in full. "Tell me more," she insists, nearly breathless. Her history books are censored, she knows they are, and the few Jedi she's crossed paths with won't answer questions –

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Vader smiles down at her, then begins to talk, and if Palpatine doesn't stop her she'll talk through the night, on history of both the Jedi and Sith, on philosophy, even on the Force and what separates the light from the dark, the Sith from the mere darksider...

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Palpatine does nothing to discourage her, asking as many questions as Vader will entertain, slowly leaning ever closer over the course of the night.

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And then Vader vanishes with the the dawn.

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Palpatine blows off her commitments the next day, sleeping through noon possibly for the first time in her life. As the dark begins gathering, she slips into the streets of Hanna, away from her father's spies, to the nearest uncrowded part of the city.

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She finds the woman in a tiny urban garden, this time. Vader smiles at her and picks up where she left off the night before.

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Palpatine goes on like that in a haze. Vader pushes her to keep attending her classes and mock trials, and Palpatine grudgingly does so, catches sleep in tiny snatches between the dawn and her first lecture, when it isn't her turn to speak in the trials – she doesn't dare sleep as evening approaches, though. Doesn't dare miss her appointment.

(Gratifyingly, Vader is always waiting for her.)

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Then, Magister Hego Damask comes looking for her three weeks into her stay on Chandrila. (Two weeks into her string of meetings with the ghostly woman. She doesn't tell him about Vader; the woman is her secret.)

Still, she's craved seeing him, for all her obsession has gotten pushed to the side over the last two and a half weeks, and speaking to him both settles and uproots something within her. Her seething anger against her father – which had receded to a frustration with distance and other concerns – flares after her conversation with Magister Damask, as he points out every little injustice her father has inflicted on her – nevermind that as a man of Naboo he shouldn't even be in politics, he should support her efforts in the Youth Legislature, should cede control of the dying house of Palpatine to his oldest daughter as is traditional, yet he favors her older brothers...

 

Still, he leaves eventually, and she sees Vader again that night, and it's easy enough to let her anger with her father subside again into her newfound obsession...

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Then, a week and a half later, as her residency on Chandrila comes to a close (she's told Vader where to find her on Naboo, and the ghost has promised to come, but Palpatine's anxious on if she'll be able to, if she'll be inclined to, and she's distracted) – instead of her university's chartered ship, she finds herself shepherded by her father's security onto their private craft. It's annoying – she'd hoped to network a little longer – but she doesn't fully register something is wrong until they've broken atmo, and she's brought into the office to see her father there, and he'd never come pick her up from something like this –

His words filter through to her like faint light through murky water. She finds herself screaming in a way she hasn't since she was a child – "You can't just pull me out of school!" – "What about the Youth Legislature – " – "What about my friends?" "What about my future?" "There's no future for me locked away on some backwater – " "I'm your daughter, not your pet!"

He doesn't listen – he never listens – he says Damask is a threat and if she won't see that she doesn't need her friends, doesn't need school, doesn't need a future because he's sending her to the isolated estate of a friend of his, one well outside of the backwater politics of Naboo, one much better regarded in the wider galaxy, and that friend has a son her age –

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Thunder fills the air, the smell of burnt meat assaults her, as her father's guards pull their blasters much too late – their blood splatters the bottom edge of her robe as their useless corpses crumple against the wall next to the door sliding open to reveal her useless mother, her asshole brothers who've always stolen what's rightfully hers ever since they were small children shouldering their way in past the frozen woman –

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It doesn't occur to her that a ghost could help the living, that Vader could even hear her.

 

 It's Magister Damask she calls, blood speckled across her cheeks, bodies cooling at her feet, body trying to shake itself apart.

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Stay where you are. Give me your coordinates. Follow my orders.

(He's close, she thinks distantly. (He's suspiciously close.))

 He steps onto her craft not as Damask, but with a shadowy power coiling around him, and she knows this –

She doesn't know whether to laugh or cry as he reveals himself as Darth Plagueis, the last and mightiest of the Sith Lords, so instead she keeps her expression flat and kneels at his feet as he demands, swearing herself to his service, to obey him as her teacher, her Master, and he names her in turn –

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She rises to her feet as Darth Sidious, and she walks off her family's ship without a single look back, trusting his promise to take care of things. 

He doesn't permit her to return to Naboo nor Chandrila, not right away, but that's alright because surely Vader will wait for her, and Sidious is too enthralled by this chance – too excited about having some of her own stories to tell Vader, to stand between both Sith living and dead (yet she still doesn't tell Plagueis about the ghost). She deals with the fallout of her family's deaths from afar, Plagueis's invisible hand on her shoulder, and she lets him steer her away.

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He doesn't explain anything. He doesn't tell stories; he doesn't even describe the Force. He takes her far away from any hyperlane, to a frozen nothing of a world, orders her to drink something she knows is poison, orders her to strip, then casts her out, throws her bodily down as a blizzard rages, and ice cracks under her as she tumbles to the base, frigid water bubbling up and threatening to consume her.

 She looks up, to see him resting easily on top of the slope, actually dressed for the weather, and his voice thunders through her mind – Climb.

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Her startled rage gets her out of the stream, gets her partway up the slope – Climbher feet slide, snow and ice collapsing from under her, and she falls heavily on her unprotected front. The ice adheres greedily to her wet skin – it tears as she pushes herself up, as she scrambles a few steps further up the slope – it burns, and her lungs burn with it, as she falls again, and Plagueis's laughter echoes somehow louder than the screaming wind, she can't see through the white hail and her frigid eyeballs and her incandescent rage –

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Close your eyes.

It's barely a whisper, nothing compared to the maelstorm of Plagueis, to the blizzard she's wrapped in. It's nothing more than a whisper in her mind, and Palpatine hears it anyways.

 She obeys that whisper, her eyes sliding shut.

The Force courses throughout and is the universe. It is in you. It is in me. It is in this world. Breathe.

She breathes in, and it isn't that the cold leaves her, it isn't that she grows warm – the cold sinks even deeper into her – but so does the roaring fury of this planet, its howling rage at seeing a Sith dare set foot upon its ground again, the blizzard rising in her –

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Pathetic. Have you given up already?

Sidious forces herself up as her meditative immersion in the storm shatters – but the ice doesn't sting so much as it whips at her skin, and with every breath the rising drumbeat of her heart calls out in an ever increasing crescendo: hate-him hate-him HATE-HIM.

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She pushes herself up, but it isn't his taunts that drive her on (isn't even the blizzard in her core, the hatred in her heart, perhaps; perhaps it is that gentle whisper in her mind).

She keeps her face placid, mask-like, as she slips again and again, as he mocks her again and again – she refuses to make any expression, to twitch a single muscle of her face, as she reaches the top and instead of anything resembling a reward he pins her down and humiliates her, rubs her face into the ground just to make sure she'll remember her place –

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(I killed my own family for less, her blank expression doesn't say.)

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A month later, Palpatine sits in her family's summer house, on the patio overlooking the lake. She's warm, the thermostat set to blazing, but she still feels cold all the time. She's supposed to be putting affairs in order here, getting the house cleaned up and deciding what she'll keep or dispose of. 

It's the dead of night, and a mist rises from the lake, and all Palpatine can think of is how to get back to Chandrila.

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There's a soft noise – a familiar swell of power – and Vader sits down beside her, a concerned expression on her face. The colors of life animate her as they haven't since that first brief meeting.

 

She waits for Palpatine to speak.

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"I'm a Sith now, too," Palpatine says into the dead air. "I killed my family, and I swore myself to the cause of the Sith Lords."

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"You have that air about you," she says, softly. "Are you alright?"

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Palpatine laughs, dryly. "I'm powerful, or I will be. What does 'alright' matter?"

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She places a hand on Palpatine's arm – it's the first time Vader's touched her, and it doesn't feel like skin, but like a soft concentration of the Force pressing exactly so. "The Force is stronger than any of us," she says. "And you can't swim its currents wounded."

"What harmed you?"

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Anger lashes through Palpatine, taking her breath away. "Everything!" she shouts. "Everything and everyone! Naboo – my father – my useless mother – my brothers – Darth Plagueis – "

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Vader nods solemnly, like she expected that answer, and she brushes hair out of Palpatine's face with a gentle touch of the Force. "They betrayed you."

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"They did. And you will, too – you're a Sith, and that's the way of us."

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"It is not my way. Freedom means nothing, power means nothing if you wrap yourself in chains of your own making – in whatever betrayals you inherited."

"My master was a Sith like Plagueis. I died because I refuse to be the same."

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The fight leaves her as her breath rattles out of her chest. 

"That was you I heard, wasn't it?"

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"Yes."

"I warned you that at times I'm little more than a voice; I would have struck him down for harming you, if I could."

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It doesn't square in her head – Vader is knowledgable, important. How can she not be powerful? 

 

"...Why?" she asks, and at Vader's understanding look the floodgates burst. "Why do you care – why doesn't he care – I didn't hate him, this entire thing started because I didn't hate him, I would've worked towards his goals, he didn't need to – why does he want me to hate him?" Her voice breaks. "Why don't you want me to hate you, if that's what strength in the dark side requires?"

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There's a gentle pressure over her mouth, a quiet 'hush' bringing a pause to the tirade. The image of her hand rises to cup Palpatine's cheek, and her sincerity presses in through the Force. "Because he's blind, and he can see no other way than the way he was raised, no other path than the one he was set on by those whose memories have been lost to the dusts of time. He's blind, because he cannot see your true worth."

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Palpatine blinks, takes in a shuddering breath – and tries to surge forward, to grab Vader's hair, to brush the ghost's mouth with her own, as a strange and powerful emotion slams through her.

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Vader lets her for the briefest of moments – then Palpatine finds herself on her back, pinned with Vader above her, the Force dark and heavy and wrapping around her body like a vice –

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It's nothing like when Plagueis did this, some distant part of her notes. (The beautiful woman she's been obsessed with looming over her helps; that she technically started it helps more; something about Vader's presence, about how the Force wraps around her, helps even more.) She can't wriggle; she makes a frustrated noise instead.

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"If this is something you want from me... I will be the one in control – and I do not want you to agree to that lightly, not until you understand what I mean; not until you've made your choice about your future." The vice-like grasp releases her.

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Palpatine sits up slowly. "My future – ?"

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"Plagueis is my enemy. You call him Master."

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Palpatine's stomach drops. "I have to choose – ?" She hates him this shouldn't be a contest – but she needs him, he's the only one she can rely on – she needs him to teach her to use the Force, to stand on her own – she'd thought Vader would approve but Palpatine's apparently a fool –

"I need a teacher," she says, hating the way her voice cracks.

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"Plagueis is not the only Sith Lord."

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She wavers, then: "What – what would be the difference, between the paths?" She doesn't really know she can trust Vader, and trust is for small children and simpletons anyways, but...

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Vader pauses for a long moment.

"Under Plagueis... You would grow powerful, true, perhaps far more powerful than I could ever make you. You would remake the galaxy in your own image, and in time he will die as your father did, and his name will be forgotten as yours lives on in infamy – you will be the greatest of Sith Lords... Until you die as your father and your Master did."

"The path through me is cloudier; I cannot see myself. But I will teach you, anything and everything you might need, and the day you surpass me will be my proudest day. I do not know yet what that future will look like, but... I want to reach it with you."

"Plagueis will teach you power; I will do everything in my own power to teach you to flourish."

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Vader's words – her prophecy, because that must be what this is, it rings so true – Vader's words hit Palpatine like a blow to the chest. She takes a deep breath through it, tries to marshal the thoughts her brain is telling her area important.

"...People need to have a place in society. A purpose. One that fits for them, but society – it isn't giving them that. It gives the unworthy power, and suppresses the weak. It makes the rich richer, and leaves the poor to starve. And no one knows how to fix it, what they want or what's best for them, so they make choices that just make everything worse, and they hurt each other. They're like... They're animals, trying to climb out of a gorge." She shivers at remembered cold. "They'll pull each other down, at the cost of climbing out. So they need someone strong, someone smart, someone who'll always do the right thing, to order society correctly. To tell them what to do." To remake things in her own image, she supposes.

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"...That isn't... How I would describe things. Not how I would describe everyone, at least."

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"...Plagueis agreed with me. He told me the Sith are that person – even when I thought..."

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"I thought he was just Magister Damask. I thought – I thought he was smart and clever and he knew what he was doing, and he agreed, and he opposed my father politically and he wanted trade and prosperity for the whole galaxy – "

"He told me I could be that guiding hand. That I didn't have to sit back and just leak my father's scandals and hope someone else fixes things, that I could fix things, that I could be that person."

"He told me I can be a Sith and I can be powerful and I can lead the galaxy at his right hand, and he lied. He isn't interested in trade, he isn't interested in sharing power, he doesn't care about me." 

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"I thought he understood, I knew there was something – I knew he didn't – I knew society would disapprove of him, my family disapproved of him, but society's morals are shit anyways and it was flattering, the way he was interested in me, and anyways it wasn't a big trade for power, for things being right, everyone has flaws and that's what teachers always want anyways, what anyone wants from someone weaker. But he was lying and he didn't even care, he just wanted to manipulate me, he wanted to get me dependent on him then humiliate me so I'd be a better Sith, and he said it was good for me and that if I survived I'd be grateful."

 

"He said if I died, then it'd just prove that I'd always been worthless anyways. That I wasn't able to handle power, that I couldn't draw on the Force well enough, and if I'm weak I might as well be dead."

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"But I don't know what I'm doing."

"Maybe I'm wrong and everyone else is content and in their place and this is how the galaxy is meant to be, but - but - "

"I don't know where I fit."

"And how am I supposed to know what future I want, what flourishing would look like, if I don't even know where I'm supposed to be now?"

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Something warm and heavy wraps around her.

"Your place in the world... That's not something anyone can give you. No one knows you, not truly, not the way you know yourself. And the Jedi claim the Force will guide those who open themselves to it – will work through them and bring them to their place in the world – but..."

"I don't think even the Force can decide that for us. It's something you'll need to find for yourself – but my job as your teacher i would be to help you. Not to lead you, but to give you the tools you need – and it's okay if you discover that place is 'under my control;' you don't need to be powerful to be worthy, and I will never mock you for it. But it's also okay if that place is somewhere far from me, surpassing me."

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"Isn't the Force everything? Isn't it all powerful? How can it not – ?"

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"The Force is in everything, but it isn't everything – it is the connections between everything. It is the bond between us and our fellow people, us and the world we inhabit – our present, our past, our future. It connects you to those you've never met and never will – but it connects you most strongly to those closest to you."

"Something told you that both I and Plagueis are important, didn't it?"

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Slow nod. "The Force. That's – that's how I knew."

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"It did."

"But that connection doesn't mean you can trust us. It's a bond, for better and worse – and you will always be connected to Plagueis, to your father, to your planet; the past can never leave you, because it is part of you, now."

"I can never abandon you, either, even if you turn away from me."

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She looks away, taking a deep, shaking breath and squeezing her eyes shut.

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Vader gives her space.

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"...I want to be your apprentice. I don't know what that future will hold," and that's terrifying, "But I want to find out... Master."

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There's a tiny catch in Vader's Force signature, something almost like pleased surprise. "I will rename you," she says – warns, almost. "You will swear a new oath to me."

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She very promptly kneels at Vader's feet, and then discovers she likes that little flutter around her new Master. (A superior who can be properly flustered is a new treat.) "What would you have me swear?" Plagueis had demanded simply that she pledge that it was her will to join her destiny forever with the Order of the Sith Lords; a far more insulting oath than one of personal loyalty, in some ways.

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"I'd like to see what you can think up."

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Her mind goes immediately to the oaths between Houses, for some reason – including those sworn in the clan-marriage of a subordinate Matriarch to her House's new patron. "I swear to bind my House to yours," she says, "I swear that your enemy shall be my enemy; that your House shall be my House. I swear that whatever befalls you shall befall me; that wherever you guide me, I shall follow. If I turn back from this oath, may I be cast out; may my name be stricken from the annals of history; may my works become sand beneath the water."

Does she believe it? Maybe, maybe not. Does she like watching Vader's face as she says it? Absolutely. 

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Vader is obligingly making quite a few faces! Still, she gets herself under control long enough to say, "I swear to bind my destiny to yours; to guide you with care and wisdom. I swear to support you should you falter; to lift you should you fall. I swear to oppose any who assault you; to aid any who assist you, for so long as you choose to walk beside me. If I turn back from this oath, may the Force take me in full; may I be forgotten."

"Rise and take your place beside me, Darth Fidela."

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She stands as commanded. "What first, Master?"

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"We begin your training in the Force properly... And we plan what to do with Plagueis."

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Some time later, on a mostly-unremarkable Mid Rim planet, a Jedi padawan is on a mission. Specifically, a mission to the marketplace to get supplies for dinner. Elesse has many nice things to say about Master Breha. She's conscientious, diplomatic, an excellent duelist, has a surprisingly sly sense of humor and a frankly unexpected number of underworld contacts. But left to her own devices, she would consume nothing but prepackaged ration bars and plain water without even thinking twice. Which is, y'know, fine, that's a way for a person to be. But Jedi aren't actually forbidden from taking joy in life's little pleasures, so after about a week of living with Master Breha, Elesse signed up for a series of culinary electives at the Temple and has diligently continued her studies in that area for the past eight years. Ration bars are for emergencies, damn it, and she wants to eat real food even when they're out in the field.

Oh, and there's something about a locked-door-murder investigation, political instability, potential Black Sun involvement, et cetera, relating to why the Jedi are even on this planet in the first place. Elesse is on the lookout for certain characters, practicing keeping her mind open to the ebbs and flows of the Living Force as she walks. But business is business, and food is food. So yeah. Marketplace.

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It's probably fortunate that she's keeping her mind open to the Force, since that means she feels a sudden darkening, a violent turbulence, approximately fifteen seconds before the first shouts of alarm from the other end of the long outdoor market. The predawn crowds and restaurant shoppers have left, and the tourists and late sleepers mostly haven't woken up yet, but there's still enough people she can't immediately see what's going on.

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Ah, hell. She starts hurrying in that direction.

"Excuse me- Pardon me- Jedi business, thank you-" Please just be a fistfight, it is too early in the morning for blasters.

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The good news: it isn't blasters!

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The bad news: it's lightsabers; red ones, to be exact.

As Elesse finally breaks through, girl in generic dark robes with her face covered by what might be a scarf parries a heavy-handed blow by a tall figure in conspicuously menacing black clothes, then as he overcommits and stumbles she turns to run – further into the open street. There's already some light debris, and people are doing their damned best to start a stampede away from the fight.

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She takes it back, this is worse.

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Okay, enough panic. Mental ping to Master Breha. Then project calm, get to the front of the incipient riot, intercept the rogues' path. Her own amber saber out in a guard position. "Remain calm, evacuate in an orderly fashion," orders to the crowd in a loud, confident voice.

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The taller of the darksiders turns to her, snarls, "Jedi," and takes an almost idle swing with his rather excessive lightsaber pike – it has a single long red blade attached to a long shaft with a short metal blade at the other end, likely cortosis – but he's fast, and the blow's clearly powerful – and with how wide an arc he's got, there's a couple people plausibly still in the danger zone.

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Remember how she said Breha was an excellent duelist? She also has an interest in obscure and unusual weapons. So Elesse has sparred against spears before. She intercepts the swing on the plasma blade, which is not great for her in terms of leverage, but shorting out her own saber trying to get the haft would be worse and you'd have to be an idiot to be swinging something that long around if it could just be cut in half so she's not going to take the chance.

Then what she needs to is get inside his reach, but not in a way that lets him threaten the civilians who still haven't, argh- "Leave now," she- doesn't snap, says firmly. Now if she can maintain the blade lock and the other one (whyyyy are there two) cares more about stabbing this one in the back than getting away or starting a massacre of their own-

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The other one does, in fact, turn quietly on her heel and lunge for her enemy's briefly unprotected back – and when he tries to disengage from Elesse, she goes low, blade flicking out for his underprotected calves, scoring a muffled yell before the sweep of the back half of his pike forces her to roll out of the way.

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Okay. Okay. Reposition to better ward the stragglers while they're distracted. Then- she can't actually let them kill each other either, right, that sounds wrong. So... delay, distract, open negotiations.

"My name is Elesse Vendar, of the Jedi Order. Drop your weapons and surrender."

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The tall one tries to say something surely witty and dismissive, interrupted by the shorter one totally ignoring Elesse and going for his side before darting back out of melee; the tall darksider turns his back on Elesse briefly, tries to swipe at the girl darksider, but she's retreating again – this time at least away from stragglers.

...It's a bit difficult to tell, but the girl actually probably had an opening for a fatal blow there, which she seems to have disregarded in favor of trying to maim her opponent again. (He's slowing down, at least, favoring one of his legs.)

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That's... strange. That's makes this easier? Maybe? Still need to protect the civilians but also don't need to directly intervene to prevent a murder. She will hold her position but also launch some of the loose bricks at the pair, mostly concentrated on the taller one.

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She might need to intervene to protect the girl, who gets significantly more aggressive – takes bigger risks – just as Elesse gets the sense her Master is rapidly approaching. The taller darksider is doing his level best to cut the girl in half.

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The others are at a safe enough distance that she feels confident in doing so.

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And then Breha Organa lands in the midst of the three-way melee like a crashing thunderbolt. She spins low, sweeping the taller darksider's legs out from under him, her azure blade flicking out with a life of its own to snag the other one's saber.

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She turns the blade off and disengages, a smirk on her face, as the taller darksider starts cursing and trying to get back on his feet – a bit hampered by all the injuries the girl has inflicted to his legs.

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She calls her lightsaber back and points it at the man's chest as she telekinetically pushes him down. "Stay down."

"What are you doing here?" she asks the girl.

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Elesse starts circling around slowly to have a better line on the one her master doesn't have pinned.

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"Being attacked, apparently."

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"There are easier ways to get our attention."

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"And inconvenience an enemy at the same time?" (These Jedi are kinda cute...)

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"Depending on the nature of the enemy, yes."

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"We have Holonet frequencies, you know."

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"But this is so much more enjoyable." (Also, that wouldn't have helped with flushing out Plagueis's latest audition for the position of sole apprentice; this one's clearly had training for longer than Fidela herself, and he's been annoying to quietly eliminate - but she suspects he's less loyal to Plagueis, and will know more if he flips...)

(Speaking of being annoying to pin down, she's slowly and carefully maneuvering herself to make a run for it.)

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"On the other hand, it would have endangered fewer bystanders. So pluses and minuses." Elesse isn't gonna get all the way around in time, is she...

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"But I think way has worked out rather nicely, don't you?" Nope, the girl is almost to a plausible escape route, at least if she's acrobatic enough to jump up a few walls...

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"It's not over until it's over." It'll be a rooftop chase, then. Elesse can work with that.

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"We'll see." And with that, she jumps – clearly Force-assisted – and swings herself onto a convenient balcony before jumping again to reach the roof.

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They will see!

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"Wait, Elesse."

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"But she's getting away!"

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"Do not only react, padawan. Think. Act with reason."

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Elesse takes a breath, recentering herself. How did that fight go? "...She wanted us to take the other one prisoner. She could have killed him, or run earlier, or gone into the crowd. But she focused on disabling strikes, using me to keep him pinned down until you got here."

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She nods. "That is my analysis. Then we must ask, why? There is a message here for us, and I believe we ought to read it first."

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"What if it's just a distraction? Maybe- she's involved with the murder and is going to tamper with evidence?"

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"Possible, but unlikely. Revealing herself at all is risk, as we were not previously aware of her presence. And there could have been things that went wrong with the fight, had she misjudged her opponent or us, that would interfere with any plans she had later."

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"What if she has allies? Oh, no, then chasing would just get me into an ambush."

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"Consider also: what malice did you sense from her as she fled?"

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Elesse bites her lip. "Not much... More- amusement?"

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"Good, yes. And that much was genuine. I do not think we face an imminent threat from her direction, but I suspect we will be seeing that one again. So we will allow this one chance, and where it leads will determine our course when next we meet."

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"Yes, master."

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"Go comm the Temple and tell them we need a pickup. I will see about begging the loan of a jail cell from the magistrate."

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It's as Elesse is heading back to their ship for the comm that she sees the woman – a muffled presence in the Force, little more than a shadow to Elesse's sight, and no one else is reacting to her despite how odd she is –

Somehow, Elesse knows that she's both proud and grieving.

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What is that. She detours.

"Hello?"

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Surprise flickers across her expression – and a significantly worse grief surges through Elesse's odd sense of her emotions. She wavers for a moment – nearly fades from view entirely, before a ghostly: "You can see me?"

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"Yes. What... are you?"

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"A ghost."

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"I didn't think ghosts were real."

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A wry smile, though her emotions still echo nothing but grief. "The Force contains a great number of mysteries still. Most cannot perceive me – in fact, my apprentice will be rather put out that she's no longer unique there."

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"Your apprentice?"

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"Yes. She's already disappointed you didn't chase her."

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Elesse takes a step back. "The darksider."

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Her apparent amusement fades, her grief twisting into sorrow. 

"I will not harm you," she says, somehow even more quietly.

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"I'm not quite ready to take that on trust."

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"I have been dead a long time. You are only the third to have perceived me, even briefly; only the second I could speak to."

She seems to be fading out.

"Perhaps, in time, you will trust that even Sith do not wish for such a lonely existence."

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She certainly seems sad enough for that to be true, but Elesse doesn't know anything about ghosts and she does know some things about darksiders. So. They'll see, as the other one said.

After the ghost disappears, she continues on her way to the ship, deciding against including this last bit in the report. Stick to just the things that involve all alive people.

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She's informed that Master Antilles and her padawan Meinwen will be rendezvousing with her at the earliest opportunity.

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Great. Definitely who you want for helping with darksiders. Less good for a murder investigation, but maybe Meinwen will do her shatterpoint thing and wrap the whole thing up forty minutes after touching down.

Elesse calls Breha to let her know, and is in turn informed that their investigation will be paused until the others arrive, so that they can keep an eye on the darksider in his cell. So Elesse can bring some of the ration bars to Breha. (Sigh. So much for dinner.)

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Well, as soon as the ship lands and she disembarks, Meinwen pulls up short when she sees Elesse.

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"Something in my hair?"

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"...A shatterpoint. A large one – and a new one."

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"Oh. Great."

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"Heard you caught a darksider."

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"Master Breha's watching him. There was another, but she got away."

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She hums. "Shatterpoint might have something to do with her..." She shakes her head. "It's difficult to say clearly, right now."

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"We'd better go find Breha, then," Meinwen's master says, joining the padawans on the hangar floor. "More context might help."

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Onwards, then?

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Yep. Hopefully they don't get attacked again on the way.

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Nothing springs out at them (except maybe a very faint sense of being watched, at least for Elesse)..

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Surely it will be fine.

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Breha is keeping vigil at the cell. She stands to greet them.

"Master Antilles. Padawan Meinwen."

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She walks up to the cell and looks at the darksider for a few long moments, ignoring his angry taunts with an even expression, before turning away.

She doesn't think the shatterpoint on Elesse is centrally related to this darksider... But... There's a certain pattern of cracks in the Force... "There's something important around him," she says after a moment (after making sure he can't hear her). "But he, himself, is not the focus."

"Also, there's a major shatterpoint around Elesse that wasn't there before, but it's... Connected to something, I think, or part of a multi-center point with something else – something I can't see."

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"Y'all find the most fucked up shit," Asha comments.

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"It keeps life interesting."

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"Keeps my life interesting, you mean."

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"Just so." Breha smiles serenely. "Then, Master Antilles, I propose you and I escort this one back to Coruscant, while our padawans keep a handle on things here."

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"An interesting life creates good challenges to learn from, Master Asha," she teases. "I wouldn't want to fall behind Elesse."

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"Suppose leaving the two of you to catch up would be a good thing, then."

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"And we do need to practice working independently."

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"Don't do anything I wouldn't."

Then the senior Jedi will start getting ready to leave.

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And she'll pull Elesse aside for a more thorough rundown on the local situation – both her original mission and the encounter with the darksider.

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Sure. The original mission is like, half done? They've got most of the facts of the matter and the various testimonies, it's just a question of putting everything together and seeing what they're still missing. Elesse has some theories and is pretty sure Master Breha knows the most likely answer and is using this as a learning opportunity.

As for the darksider... it's almost like they were waiting for her.

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"You specifically, or any Jedi – ?"

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"I'm hoping any Jedi? Because otherwise I have a stalker problem. But if it was just whoever happened to show up on this planet and then the choice was me or Master Breha, you can kind of see why it would be me."

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Thoughtful nod. "Do you think it was just the one who escaped waiting, or that this was a plan by both of them?"

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"The one who escaped wasn't fighting to kill, really. The one we got was."

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"Just one, then... But that brings up a question – why would a darksider want the Jedi to capture a different darksider, even a rival – ?" She then shakes her head. "Though that might be easier to answer once we know which cult the one we captured is from."

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"Agreed. They should be able to get some information out of him at the Temple."

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"Still... She was either being reckless or playing a complicated game by letting us know she's a darksider, too."

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"Both are things darksiders are known for."

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"True enough."

"Did she say anything else to you, beyond what was in the report – ?"

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Elesse shakes her head. "No, that was all."

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She nods. "Can you show me where the fight happened? And what direction they came from initially."

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Yep. They can follow the Jedi Masters out the door and then split off for the scene of the altercation.

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She identified the site once they're on the street, even before Elesse can point it out – and then she says, "A shatterpoint happened here recently... I can trace this back, I think..."

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"Need any help?"

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"Help wouldn't go amiss."

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They can pool their senses, then.

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They're able to follow the trail of the captured darksider, but... Meinwen can tell when he encountered the one that got away, but she can't sense where that one came from. 

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Does Elesse have any better luck there? She has a more direct connection to the person.

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...Maybe? She's getting a vague hunch, at least, almost like a whisper.

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Vague hunch is better than nothing. Which way?

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Towards the spaceport, maybe?

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"Let's try the spaceport," Elesse says. "Might have records, if we're lucky."

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She nods. "The chance even one of them - let alone both - is local is fairly low, after all."

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And as they get closer, Elesse will see if she has a feeling about any of the bays in particular.

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Not exactly a feeling – given she glimpses a very familiar ghost leaning against a particularly nondescript craft, one tucked away from casual eyes or, perhaps more importantly, any cameras.

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Mngh. All right. What's the log have to say about that one?

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It seems it's been there only a few days, though the captain had registered a departure date/ time of late the night before, and there's unanswered stern warnings about fees. This port doesn't do much to verify identities, but they were sent a license whose picture matches the captured darksider.

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They should be able to wrangle that into jurisdiction for a forced boarding. Dump the navcomp, see where he's been.

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He's scrubbed much of it.

...Also, Elesse and Meinwen aren't the only ones to access this in the last couple of hours. There's traces of another guest user being given permission for a forced boarding and then going through the same files as them.

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Security logs?

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It takes some persuasion to get ahold of actual camera footage (none of the logs have anything entered formally), but... 

It seems the darksider who got away beat them here - and no one seems to have seen anything at all strange about her just walking into the security office.

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Mind trick? Or some related stealth technique, possibly, she's seen Breha do similar things.

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Well, nobody they ask has more than a hazy memory of the girl.

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Yeah, that tracks.

Okay, options from here. They could try meditating on the echoes of her actions here and try to pick up her trail that way. They could check the docking logs for a couple days in either direction around the time the male darksider's ship landed and see if there are irregularities there (though if she came on a shuttle instead of a private ship, that's not likely to be helpful). They could review more footage to try to track her back to a ship, since she doesn't seem to be spoofing the holocams.

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Perhaps Elesse could meditate - she has a better sense of the girl - while Meinwen checks logs and reviews footage?

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A sensible division of labor. She will see what she can divine. (And see if that... ghost... comes knocking.)

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She seems to be quietly watching Elesse, actually. 

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She will try cautiously reaching out a mental connection.

"Don't suppose you want to save me some time and tell me where your apprentice is?"

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That gets her a carefully muted sense of amusement. "And what would you do with that information?" (It feels natural, almost easy, to talk to the woman like this.)

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She should keep an eye on that, huh. "Spy on her to learn about her plans and figure out how t- if they need to be thwarted."

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"Only if?"

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"She's a darksider, but she ran away instead of escalating and she didn't try to hurt any civilians. So. She's not ontologically evil." Master Breha says that people are not their past, even if they are formed by it. The future is always in motion, which means you can make different choices in the present.

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Despite her gentle smile, there's that same deep sense of grief again. "Is using the dark side of the Force in and of itself an evil act, then?"

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"Most people would say yes, and for good reasons. Most of what the dark side is used for is evil."

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That gets her a considering hum. "You are right - in more ways than you know, I suspect." 

"The other Sith Lord currently active would tell you that the light side is just as easily turned to evil as the dark; that the only difference between righteous war and craven murder is whether the rich and powerful approve; that the very concept of evil is a fiction to keep others in line. He would conveniently leave out that he has done evil with every tool he's had, dark side or not; that he, himself, is counted among the rich and powerful; that by freedom he means submission to him. It is what he told my apprentice, before I took her from him, and it is much the same as my own Sith Master told me."

"Even still, it would be a mistake to call either of them ontologically evil. Even my Master was a child once, who railed against poverty and corruption, who wanted to make the galaxy a better place; she grew up to be the most evil person I've known - and she chose evil at every opportunity given to her."

"My apprentice is a child still, one much like my Master once was." Exactly is that child, actually, but details are merely details. "I aim only to guide her away from that poisoned legacy, and to oppose the other Sith."

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"Aren't there easier ways to do that than using the name and tools of your enemies?"

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"Sometimes... We use the tools we have."

"And there's strengths to the dark side ‐ things I can accomplish with it, that I couldn't when I was a Jedi."

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"Like what?"

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"In general... At the simplest level, the dark side brings power. It hides itself, and it hides other things. It moves suddenly, directly. The light side brings control. It reveals itself, and it reveals other things. It moves slowly, indirectly."

"I am continuing my apprentice's lessons in the dark side because it is easier to teach someone control than power, to intentionally reveal something than intentionally hide, to slow down than to speed up. And... She's already drawn the wrath of a powerful Sith, one skilled at mind games - she needs every tool she can to protect herself."

"For me specifically..."

"As a ghost, cohering like this is more straightforward, so long as I maintain a balance and don't go too far into rage. I turned back to the light before I died, and at first I could only occasionally appear in the dreams of one specific individual - I couldn't really even observe the world from one specific vantage, not without quickly flowing away and back into the wider Force. After that individual died... I turned back to the dark, and while my existence was no less lonely, I could at least explore and think as myself."

"In life, it was much easier to act directly, and to hide myself and my actions - shielding my mind against my Sith Master had been next to impossible as a Jedi, but I learned the skill quickly after I fell. I was better able to immediately influence the world, including by healing myself."

"After I fell from the light to the dark the first time, I couldn't use battle meditation anymore, and I stopped having visions, but... I didn't mourn the loss. I'd emerged into Knighthood directly into a war; for me, the greatest powers of the light side all meant just that."

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"Why are you telling me all this?"

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She is defintely not serving as a distraction.

"I enjoy teaching, for one."

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"But you still haven't answered my first question." Which Elesse had almost forgotten about, with all the philosophy.

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"I suppose I haven't."

"What sort of plans would need to be thwarted?"

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Okay that makes twice. "If you're not going to, just say so."

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"I'm not going to give you information that could seriously endanger her. But... If you were inclined to target our mutual enemies instead - the other Sith - then... Something could be negotiated."

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"My goal is to prevent people getting hurt. The... other... Sith seem more likely to do that. So far."

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"That's my goal as well."

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"Then maybe we can work together." Or the ghost could be lying. But she doesn't feel like she's lying, and Elesse doesn't think she's just fooling herself there.

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"I'd like that."

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"But I need to know where your apprentice is to trust you."

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A small pause, then she gives a location. "She's about to leave. If you're serious about this... I can ask her to wait." 

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"I won't start a fight if she doesn't."

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"I'll tell her to be polite."

"Can you say the same for your fellow Jedi, though?"

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"I'll stop her, if she tries."

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She nods, then: "Are you planning to tell her about this conversation?"

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"Not... yet."

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"Why?"

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"I want to learn more first."

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"Then I'll tell my apprentice not to let on that we've been talking."

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"That will make it easier."

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"We have a deal."

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Elesse will withdraw from contact, and wait for the ghost to disappear.

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She fades out. 

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Elesse spends a few more moments actually meditating. It'd be a good idea to be at least a little centered before going through with this.


Then, she opens her eyes and goes to Meinwen.

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Who's had some success with the surveillance footage, though less with the logs - there's no recent arrivals nor departures matching the description of their renegade darksider, but she didn't make any particular effort to hide from the cameras and Meinwen's managed to track her movements. 

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"I think I have a lead."

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She nods. "Best I can tell, she got on a local transport - surveillance cuts out after that, but there's a few different places she could've gone..." She'll pull up a map; one of the locations is the one Vader told Elesse about: a smaller port used for shuttles to and from the planet's moon and a handful of stations in orbit, used almost entirely by locals.

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Elesse points it out. "Here."


"I think... We should approach without aggression. Diplomatically."

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She gives Elesse a searching look. "Are you sure?"

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She nods. "It'll go better if we do."

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She nods. "Your call, then."

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"Thanks."

Then, shall they go?

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She'll follow Elesse.

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Off to visit a darksider. Maybe in a public lounge so violence would be contraindicated anyway. They'll see when they get closer.

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No such luck - the darksider is apparently waiting in her own shuttle.

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So much for public transit.

"Coming in with me or watching the perimeter?" she asks Meinwen.

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(They did take public transport to get to this satellite port, at least - but a private shuttle is unusual. Most of the shuttles leaving from here are moving a large number of people to and from the moon.)

"I'd rather come with you."

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"Fair enough."

Elesse will knock.

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The shuttle door opens, revealing a very nice interior, though it's decorated in a distinctly bland style - and their darksider isn't immediately visible, though the angle of view through the open door isn't great. 

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Money but no evident taste. Well, maybe she's incognito and doesn't want to give anything away.

"Hello?"

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Their darksider steps into view. "How unusually polite of you to knock."

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"Unusually polite of you not to try to kill me. Favor for a favor."

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"You weren't my target."

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"Collateral damage isn't a usual dark side concern."

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"Then you've only run into inefficient, poorly trained idiots before."

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"As contrasted with your... efficient self?" Leaving open the question of training quality and intelligence. "Though this is my first time meeting a darksider, actually."

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"Intelligent, efficient, and it'd be a grevious insult to my Master to claim I'm anything but well trained." She's probably teasing?

"And it's better to form your own impressions, rather than relying on the propaganda of others."

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"I'd be remiss to not at least seek the opinions of the Jedi who came before me. The galaxy is too vast for a single perspective to contain its totality."

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"Yet that 'wisdom' was inaccurate here."

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"Only for you. Your 'target' fit the profile well."

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"And he's little more than a flash in the pan."

"Tell me - in the last thousand years, have the Jedi actually defeated any true Sith, rather than mere disposable pawns, rather than members of the myriad weak darkside cults?"

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"You claim to be a true Sith, then?" (Cultists and upstarts and revolutionaries use the name sometimes - but to her knowledge not as part of an enduring tradition.)

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She steps back suddenly. "If you actually want to talk - come in properly."

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Meinwen gives Elesse an uncertain look.

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Elesse gives her a confident nod, and steps into the ship.

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She follows.

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The door closes behind her, and the darksider - the Sith - goes to sprawl faux-languidly on a bench.

"I am Darth Fidela," she states casually, like she's discussing the weather, "Apprentice to Darth Vader. We are the inheritors of an unbroken line of Sith, one stretching back a thousand years to Darth Bane."

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"All the way back to the Ruusan Reformations, huh. Not going to claim the Sith before that?"

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"There was a rather meaningful political change going on."

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Hum.

"My name is Elesse Vendar, padawan of the Jedi Order. My comrade Meinwen, of the same."

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"It's a pleasure to meet you."

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"Not sure if I'll say the same just yet."

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"But it's a possibility?"

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"Depends how much slaughter, corruption, and general malfeasance you plan to get up to."

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"Much less than the other Sith. I'm planning to kill them, and anyone working for them who makes nonlethal takedowns impractical. 'Corruption' and 'general malfeasance' are difficult to define clearly."

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"Undue unmitigated harm to civilians, local governments, or Republic institutions. There's a six-hundred page ethics handbook I can send you if you want. But it boils down to 'ask is this something a holodrama villain would do? If yes, consider not doing that'."

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"And what if the local governments and Republic institutions are already corrupt and engaging in general malfeasance?"

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"Then the harm may be due, and you should try to mitigate it."

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"And if I instead use it to my advantage...?"

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"Then we may find ourselves opposed to you, and it will be less of a pleasure to have met you."

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"We'll see how things go, then."

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"Is that the sort of thing you're planning to do?"

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"If it's necessary to defeat Darth Plagueis."

"This galaxy is rife with corruption - I cannot fix that by artificially limiting myself."

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"You could ask for help."

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"Would a Jedi help me?"

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"Take over the galaxy? No. Deliver justice for the forgotten and expose a hidden evil? Yeah, maybe. We're talking, aren't we?"

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She looks skeptical, opens her mouth to respond -

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And Vader appears leaning against the wall near her feet. "It's a not a bad idea, apprentice," she says.

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(Meinwen doesn't react, instead just staring suspiciously at Darth Fidela.)

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Darth Fidela doesn't obviously react, either - certainly doesn't look at the ghost - but she does close her mouth and then sigh. "If you want to help... Fine. We can talk."

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Elesse is a hair less controlled in her reaction, but she takes a seat opposite Fidela.

"You mentioned a- Darth Plagueis?"

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She nods, and her extremely tight hold on her emotions in the Force slips, revealing briefly a deep well of hatred before she wrests her Force signature back under control. "He's a Sith Lord - a master of the dark side like Darth Vader, albeit weaker and less knowledgeable." Not that she's biased or anything. "He doesn't currently have an apprentice, just acolytes, associates, and useful idiots."

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"One of those being the one you clashed with here?"

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"An acolyte, yes - though Plagueis seems apparently told him he'd win the spot of 'apprentice' if he succeeded at killing me." She rolls her eyes.

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"Callous way to do it."

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"...He's a callous person. Auditions through murder is how he operates."

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"I won't fault you for wanting to take him down."

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"He'd kill every last Jedi, if such a thing was in his reach. He's actively trying to build up that much influence - most of the Baneite Sith have been, and he's gotten ahold of the networks and other power structures."

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"Do you know his identity?"

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"Prove I can trust you not to do anything stupid with it, first."

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"How do you want us to do that?"

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"I'll see what you do with the information you already have, how about?"

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"So you'll be watching us."

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"The effects of your actions, at least."

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"I might be watching more directly."

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Wasn't she supposed to be a secret. Talking like she's part of the conversation when Meinwen is right there makes that kind of hard, actually.

"I can give you my holofreq so you don't have to ambush me with another darksider next time."

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"Where's the fun in that?"

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"Some of us don't subscribe to a philosophy that makes a virtue of violence."

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Overly dramatic sigh. "If you insist..."

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"I am afraid that I must." So she will share her contact information.

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Fidela then shares her own.

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"Suppose that's it then, if you don't want to tell us anything else yet."

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She shakes her head after a moment. 

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"Then, for now... It was nice to meet you."

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"Perhaps next time we'll meet under better circumstances."

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"Force willing." She stands to take her leave.

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She watches them go.

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Meinwen remains tense until they're well away from the Sith, at which point - "The shatterpoint - it's tied to one around her - I've never seen a shatterpoint so massive, and there was something else I couldn't quite get, almost the shadow..."

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Probably the ghost. Not that she's going to say that.

"At least we can keep tabs on it?" she offers.

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Nod. "Especially since it's tied to you as well."

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"Right..."

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The next step is to return to the Temple, right? They need to consult with their teachers. (Though Meinwen will help resolve the murder case that originally brought Elesse here, first.)

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Yeah, plan is solve the murder then leave. Maybe send a progress update in the meantime.

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Do they want to be careful about what they share in the update?

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Might be a good idea, even over an encrypted transmission.

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Details can wait for an in person meeting - for now they can just say they found a potential lead?

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That should do, yeah. Nothing that'll get the wider Temple too excited beyond what Masters Breha and Asha are bringing back.

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Works. 

And then off to focus on solving the murder - fortunately, Meinwen's tendency towards visions and ability to see and track shatterpoints is actually useful here...

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They can nail it down in a couple more days at most. Then before they know it, it's back to Coruscant.

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She gives Master Antilles a heads up that they're coming in with a report - one that she'd prefer to give first to Masters Antilles and Breha.

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Oh, this should be good.

They'll meet the padawans in the hangar, then, and hustle them straight back to Breha's suite.

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Does Elesse want to start, or should Meinwen - ?

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Alright. 

"We tracked the darksider to a different port, one used mostly for travel within the system. Elesse suggested approaching the darksider non-violently. The darksider had her own shuttle, so we... Pretty much just knocked. She let us in, and she was apparently willing to talk."

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"That was a risk," Breha says mildly.

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"I had- a strong feeling, master. Combined with her behavior during the fight, I thought it worth taking."

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She hums. "Go on."

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"She said her name was Darth Fidela, and called herself a Sith. Um 'inheritors of an unbroken line of Sith, one stretching back a thousand years to Darth Bane', were her exact words, about her and her master, Vader. They are apparently fighting a different Sith, a Darth Plagueis."

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Breha and Asha exchange a significant look.

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"Do you recognize the name, Masters?"

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"Came up in the interrogation."

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"She called the one we captured an 'acolyte' of Plagueis - she said Plagueis had promised him the 'spot' of apprentice if he killed her."

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"Where there's one, there's always more. Just like guttersnipes."

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She nods. "Fidela also seemed to know Plagueis's real identity - but she refused to tell us unless we 'proved we wouldn't do anything stupid with it.' She indicated a way of tracking our activities, though she claimed indirectly so."

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"Most of the information one would need to track a Jedi is technically available to the public."

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"She might count doing something Plaguis could track as 'something stupid'..."

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"Track at all, or track back to her? Obviously he's going to notice if his operations start getting rolled up, but we can do parallel construction via the acolyte."

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"There's likely some moves we could make without alerting him, though."

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"True..."

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"I'd also like to find other information sources than Fidela or the acolyte - I don't trust her."

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"Good. Keep doing that."

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"Yet we must start somewhere."

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She nods, then goes over any other questions their Masters have - and after that, it seems like it's time to take their report to the Council? Plus or minus any comments or redactions the Masters want to include.

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Minor tweaks- that will cast the girls' competence in the best light. There are certain to be Questions.

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But even with the tweaks...

The Jedi Council is hesitant to believe that the acolyte or Fidela represent true Sith - it's an incredibly common claim among the various darkside cults, but it's never been substantiated. Their last sure record is from centuries ago - the surviving remnant of the Sith then were operating under the Rule of Two, meaning there'd only ever be a single Master and apprentice at a time, not multiple competing factions.

Also, they disapprove severely of any collaboration with darksiders, including declining to arrest them when the opportunity arises. Whether or not this 'Fidela' was targeting bystanders at the time, she represents a fundamental threat.

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For two padawans alone, nonviolence was the correct choice. Better, perhaps, if Fidela could have been tracked without alerting her, but not unacceptable, even so.

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They have lost many Jedi to the dark side after conversations like this - if the padawans could not safely confront her, it would have been better to retreat. 

Going forward, the Council cannot approve of collaborating with those claiming to be Sith, even to combat other darksiders, nor of accepting intelligence from them.

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Understood.

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The Council wraps up the report shortly after, then informs them that the Council would like for them to remain at the Temple for the time being, to be available for further questions and as a security measure in case of spying by or retaliation from the darksiders.

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Of course, Masters.

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In the turbolift down from the council chambers, Asha rolls her eyes. "Bantha shit."

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"Master...?"

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"The High Council spends too much time on Coruscant. They're flinching, same as always, from anything that suggests the galaxy isn't their comfortable status quo."

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"Then what are our next steps?"

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"For the two of you? Rest and training. Give the Council no cause to cast further suspicion upon you. I will keep an eye on the interrogation of our darksider, and begin what inquiries I can from here."

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"Yes, Master."

"What should we do if Fidela decides to reach out?"

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"Talk to us as soon as possible."

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She nods. 

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After the lift ride, the two pairs split off.

Asha and her padawan are going to do the post-mission debrief while working on saber forms at quarter-speed, as is tradition. "So, what fucked up, and what would you do differently?"

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She thinks for a few moments before answering. "I don't know yet if anything did fuck up - hiding the intelligence about Fidela from the Council would be a drastic step, one that I don't think is warranted." 

"I do not think I could have dissuaded Elesse from speaking to Fidela, and it would have been worse to let her go alone. The situation was... Odd."

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"Odd how?"

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"Fidela knew we were coming, and she was waiting for us - she could've easily escaped well before we got there, and we would've had trouble tracking her - but she wasn't acting like she wanted to talk or collaborate."

"Elesse was also very sure approaching her peacefully would go well, which... Isn't suspicious itself. Elesse is very attuned to the Force and usually has good instincts. But..." She trails off, suddenly uncertain about what she even saw.

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"Do you think she was compromised?"

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"...I don't know. I just... I don't know what's going on."

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"If you figure it out, say something."

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Elsewhere, Elesse decides (as she often does) that what she really wants is more context. So. To the archives, and see what they have to say about historical Sith and fallen Jedi.

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They have a record of Darth Bane, actually, the only survivor of the Brotherhood of Darkness - the Jedi record him as killed a little over a decade after the Seventh Battle of Ruusan. He wasn't believed to have any apprentices. The Banite Sith and the Rule of Two have actually been recorded since - Padawan Kibh Jeen, who kicked off the Dark Jedi Conflict, claimed that the Sith still existed and described the system. His claims were dismissed as the ravings of a madman who fell to the dark side.

There have been fallen Jedi nearly as long as there have been Jedi, so the records are extensive. The longest and most well attested lists are from the Fourth Great Schism and subsequent thousand years of the New Sith Wars, though so many Jedi fell and the Republic was in so much chaos that large tracts of records are lost. After that, known fallen Jedi cluster in the fifty years of the Old Sith War and the twenty eight years of the Great Galactic War; fallen Jedi prior to the Old Sith War are extremely poorly attested even though they definitely existed, and many would've fallen in the First through Third Great Schisms. A relatively manageable amount have fallen since the Ruusan Reformations, and their identities are mostly known. 

Fallen Jedi who emerged into Knighthood straight into a war and who used battle meditation are significantly rarer - true mastery of battle meditation is itself incredibly rare. That particular history would put someone before the Ruusan Reformation, statistically most likely in the New Sith Wars (by sheer numbers of fallen Jedi), followed by the Great Galactic War (and they do actually have a fairly complete list of everyone who used battle meditation on the Jedi's side in the Old Sith Wars, and none of them match Vader), or an even more ancient conflict they don't have records for.

There have been multiple Sith Empires, some of which don't seem particularly related to each other - the Sith name is apparently well thought of enough among darksiders that any group who gets the power to demand everyone else calls them Sith tends to do so, including groups of fallen Jedi like after the Fourth Great Schism.

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These timelines... don't make any sense. A thousand years since Bane, sure, but there's practically no way Vader could have come after that. She'd have had to have been before, which, okay, ghost, maybe that works?? But.


Elesse feels like she may have made a mistake.

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It's while she's staring at her notes in confusion that she gradually becomes aware of a gentle presence, leaning over her table and apparently reading some of what she has out.

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She flinches away with a start.

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Vader pulls back a bit.

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"So which part did you lie to me about," she asks at length.

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"Nothing I said was a lie. Some things were simply... Left out."

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"How long have you been dead."

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"Long enough the years no longer have meaning. Long enough I have chosen to let myself forget most of that great span of time."

"Yet, at the same time, I have just died; at the same time, I have not yet died."

"And yet, at the same time, I have been dead only those few years I had something outside of the Force to interact with. Time grows strange when you are one with the Force; it was not an existence I enjoyed, though at least it cannot be said to have had a clear duration."

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"...Putting it another way. Your apprentice claimed to be the heir of Darth Bane's teaching, but there hasn't been a war with battle meditation that you could have died in since the Ruusan Reformations."

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"She was originally Plagueis's apprentice, for what it's worth."

"Beyond that... I do not wish for the Jedi nor, especially, Plagueis to know how old I am; better they think I am a living result of one of the Line of Bane's many branches, than realize an entirely new paradigm sits before them."

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"That doesn't really help me trust you."

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"What would?"

(She... Doesn't know if she wants to manipulate Elesse into trusting her - well, of course she wants to. But the part of her that used to be Anakin can't imagine Elesse as anything other than good, anything other than filled with wondrous light; what possible right does she have to corrupt the woman who was and yet could be her Jedi Master? And she still doesn't understand why Elesse has kept her a secret - she didn't ask Elesse to do so. And, to be honest with herself, she wouldn't mind more openly collaborating with Elesse's Master, even if no one else; the Breha of her original life was an honorable woman. The only question there is if any Jedi other than Elesse would even consider trusting her...)

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"I don't know."

"I thought if I could- find when you came from, maybe find who you were, that would help- let me understand why you-" Fell? Helped? Still call yourself Sith? Take your pick, really.

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Her image sits next to Elesse. "All of the records of my life, or even the lives of those most important to me, have been long lost, I'm sorry to say."

"I can answer your questions myself, but... You'll have to trust I'm not lying to you."

"And, Elesse... It wouldn't bother me if you asked your Master or even another Jedi for a second opinion - you should trust someone who isn't me, too."

"My own Sith Master... She met me under false pretenses when I was still a padawan - when I was a child of merely nine years old, and she slowly isolated me from the Jedi, convinced me I was special, that what we had should remain secret, that no one would understand - I never told my own Jedi Master about her. And when I entered the war, its currents took me even farther away from my Jedi Master. It was... Ironic, in many ways. I was born the child of a darksider and raised as such; my Jedi Master killed the Master of my childhood and took me as her own. I used the light side of the Force solely to make her happy with me, to win her approval - and then I felt like she made no effort to keep me from being swept away from her. I resented her and the Jedi as a whole for letting me damn myself, even as I spiraled closer and closer to the Sith. I stopped trusting her entirely, and she stopped trusting me, until an argument over why I hadn't participated in a certain battle turned into a full blown fight. I killed her; I still don't know if I was thinking of my anger, or simply of defending myself - honestly, it was likely both."

"The woman who would make me into her apprentice among the Sith came to me, then. She rescued me from an almost certain death from my injuries. She made no effort to heal my mind; it was convenient to her that I was helpless, alone, desperate for someone to understand me. It took me nearly two decades to break free of my dependence on her approval; I couldn't see her for what she was until she targeted my own daughter for her next apprentice. I sacrificed my life to kill her; I spent the rest of my daughter's life using the light side of the Force, to make her happy with me. When she died... There was no one whose approval I could win, and it took a very long time for me to find my own identity."

 

"The dark side is not evil, no more than a literal shadow is. It has its own beauties, its own perils. It took me many more years after my death to appreciate those, and they drew me back to the dark side eventually: a choice I alone made, for the benefit of my own self. I could have claimed any name after that, not just the Sith; but there's a power in stealing the very name of those who harmed me - if in another ten thousand years, the Sith are as I have defined them, that will be the greatest possible revenge against my Sith Master, and against everyone who created her. And... The name remains useful. It got my apprentice to trust me, after all." 

"But there is a great evil in how the Sith have operated throughout history - I do not wish to revisit the evils of my Sith Master, even inadvertently. I do not wish to harm you."

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"I..."

"I hope I can believe that."

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"I understand."

"I can leave you alone for a time, if you want to meditate on this - or even to speak to someone else. I can stay and answer your questions. It's up to you."

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"I," don't want you to go, somehow, "think I need to be alone."

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"Alright."

"I'll return in a week, if that sounds good? Or... I might be able to hear if you reach out in the Force."

(She needs time to meditate herself - on if she'll claim a specific period, or if she'll continue to prevaricate, or instead if she'll tell Elesse the full truth, no matter how fantastic that is - on if she'll keep trying to lure Elesse in.)

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"A week. Okay."

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Too bad Elesse can't fade out.

Okay. She should. Yeah. Hold it together long enough to clean up her study materials and get to a private meditation chamber. And figure all her feelings out.


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"You've been quiet lately, Elesse."

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"Mm."

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"Is there anything I can help with?"

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"Maybe. No. I don't know."

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Breha waits patiently. Her padawan will share, or not, in her own time.

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"How do you tell, Master? If you can trust someone you shouldn't."

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"Is this about the darksider you met?"

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Fidela, sure. Among others. That we're still not talking about.

Elesse nods.

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She had a feeling. Well, it's good this is coming to a head now. Though Elesse has never really been one to let things fester for too long.

"You are normally decisive. What makes you conflicted about this?"

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"...My instincts say I can trust her. But what if she's deceiving my instincts, manipulating me?"

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"With the dark side, you mean."

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"Mm."

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"This is something we all must face at some point. No one is infallible. No Jedi is infallible. It doesn't even take the dark side to be deceived. I've been burned by a contact more than once."

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"Padawan. The stakes are high, yes, but you have tools. You have the Force, but you also have your own wisdom. You have training, you have our histories. You have me. This is not a burden you need bear alone."

"In terms of concrete steps, do you feel as though your judgement in other areas has been compromised?"

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Talking with her Master helped Elesse clarify what she's afraid of: turning into someone she's not. She doesn't want to be warped, twisted. One changes as one grows, but she wants to be able to look back and see the progression is all driven by her own self and not imposed onto her.

And she has a plan and a path to do that. They went over some mindfulness practices and stories from Breha's time as an active Shadow (which Elesse hasn't really heard much about before; she can kind of see why, given how it's not really the place she sees her time as Jedi leading her) and some resources at the Temple she could take advantage of.

She's a lot more centered by the time the week is up.

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Vader appears gently, while she's alone in her quarters - a simple call away from backup, but private nonetheless, with enough free time afterwards she'll be able to meditate before any responsibilities. A calm moment in time overall.

 She doesn't say anything at first. She seems to be struggling to even look fully at Elesse - her emotions are far less muted than usual, and Elesse can clearly feel her anxiety in the Force.

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"Uh, hi." Real smooth, Elesse.

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"Hello."

"Have you spoken to your Master?"

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"I did. Not about you directly but- yeah."

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"You're still keeping me secret?"

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"For now."

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She doesn't know if she approves at a principled level, but it's somehow flattering all the same. (And what's the point of being a darksider if she doesn't sometimes do things selfishly?)

"What have you decided?"

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"That I'm not going to let anyone else choose my path."

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 It looks good on her.

"And so you free yourself," she says approvingly.

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"If you want to put it that way."

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"I strove to be free throughout my life, yet it wasn't until well after my death that I chose my own path. 'How to be free' is something I have tried to show my apprentice. It is... Good to see you already stepping onto that path."

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"Well. Thanks."

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She leans against the wall near Elesse, posture and presence in the Force more relaxed than Elesse's felt so far. "Do you have any questions for me?"

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"What sorts of questions are you willing to answer?"

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"...Nothing that would endanger my apprentice. Some of the questions about my personal life..." She goes quiet for a long moment, before: "There's certain details I'd rather not share - names, mostly. I can answer most other questions, and I can try to be straightforward if I decline to answer."

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"That seems fair. Um. I should probably ask first about Plagueis."

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Hum. "If knowing his identity leads you to my apprentice's, would you use that to harm her?"

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"No, I won't."

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"Alright." 

"His name is Hego Damask. He is the Magister of Damask Holdings, an associate of the InterGalactic Banking Clan. His Master was Darth Tenebrous, also known as Rugess Nome, a wealthy starship designer. There are a few branches of the Line of Bane currently active - I've been monitoring them, and they are of little consequence. Plagueis has a large allied network, however, though his greatest threats stem from his skill and power in the Force - he is the only living true master of the dark side, and the scattering of disciples and half trained apprentices has not diminished that advantage. He will see any threats to him from the Jedi coming, no matter how well those efforts are concealed."

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"How do you plan to defeat him?"

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"Through my apprentice."

"I can't directly act against him, but my ability to gather information is unparalleled. We're working on disabling his support structures, while my apprentice trains and grows in power - and the Jedi will be useful for taking out his support, as well as for mitigating undesired consequences."

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"Is that why Fidela herded the acolyte to me?"

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"Yes - we figured he was the most likely to flip on Plagueis, and even if he didn't it'd hopefully put the Jedi on alert."

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"I don't know if the Council is going to believe it enough to really do anything."

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"I know."

"But hopefully over time, the evidence will build up enough - and even a few individual Jedi would be more support than we've had."

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"I can offer that, maybe."

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"Thank you."

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Hmm. She doesn't, uh, know what to say next...

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Vader doesn't mind sitting here quietly - or she can talk about the Force, or about the history she knows...?

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Elesse wouldn't mind hearing about Vader's perspective on history.

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She's had an observer's perspective for the vast sweep of it, and she also has had access to archives long since lost - she can speak in detail on the history of the Jedi and Sith alike, recounting events both grand and small, stretching from the Great Hyperspace War all the way to the modern era - with digressions into the many events that occurred before the Sith and Jedi encountered one another. (She even mentions, off handed, having once spoken with another ghost who dated from roughly the end of the Rakatan Infinite Empire, as part of a brief tangent into how the Force was understood before the rise of the Jedi Order. She also mentions the records of the original Sith species, before they were conquered by Dark Jedi, as part of the same tangent.)

(She'll speak for as long as Elesse will let her, starting with grand sweeps before drilling into specifics.)

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Elesse is fascinated and is easily going to let this take the rest of her day. (Does Vader mind if she takes notes?)

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Not at all!

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Cool. She'll need to be careful with storing them but that can be a later-Elesse problem.

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They would be awkward to explain, especially if Elesse can't find citations in the library...

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Don't think she won't be looking up citations anyway, though.

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Vader encourages that, actually - it's good to verify sources and to have multiple perspectives on an issue. There's some philosophical texts and primary sources the Jedi should have access to that she can recommend, actually, as ways to find complementary or contradictory viewpoints...

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Fair enough.

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(Elesse's a delight to teach, she's learning.) (She doesn't say that out loud, but the broad sentiment might be deducible from the warm fondness she isn't making much effort to hide.)

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Then everyone's having fun.

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The perfect situation to teach in.

Speaking of teaching, Vader is content to keep going until Elesse's Master returns.

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Elesse set an alarm when she realized how engaging this was going to be, so they can wrap up before Breha is set to get back.

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Should she depart then?

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Yeah. So she's not distracted.

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Alright.

Does Elesse want to set a date for their next encounter?

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Tonight? Maybe in a couple days, she'll have more free time.

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That works. 

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Until then.

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She'll be looking forward to it.

(She fades out.)

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Darth Fidela, elsewhere, is curled up in her apartment's library, feet tucked under a heavy quilt, a pad propped up on her knees as she reads some of the philosophy homework her Master assigned her. 

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Vader appears beside her, glancing down at her reading. 

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"Master." She doesn't startle, instead briefly tilting her pad so Vader can see her ongoing work - both the book and the open tab she's taking notes in. She looks up at Vader then. "How'd your talk with the little Jedi go?"

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"She isn't that much younger than you, you know, and I believe she's quite a bit taller."

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"It went well, then?" Vader wouldn't be in this good of a mood if the little Jedi rejected her, she thinks. (She maturely elects to ignore the height comment.)

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"She said she isn't going to let anyone else dictate her path. We spoke for a while after that - mostly the history of the Jedi and Sith."

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"You mean you infodumped in her general direction for several hours?"

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"She took notes and asked questions, so it wasn't entirely an info dump."

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Her brief smile fades. 

 

"...Are you planning to take her as a disciple?" 

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"I don't think she's likely to fall." What right does she have to want Elesse to fall? "She's attached to the Jedi and their philosophy." (But is she, really?)

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"Oh, so it's normal for Jedi to listen to Sith Lords lecturing them about history?"

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"...I suppose not."

"If she did fall, though..." Anakin would need several days to scream by herself. "If she came to the dark side, would you object to me taking a second apprentice?"

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She scowls and tries to tamp down on the jealousy that's been bubbling up in her ever since she learned the (unfortunately cute) Jedi she'd been flirting with fighting could see her Master as well. "Why would you? She's just some Jedi."

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"Because she'd deserve training, too, and because I believe you'd like her."

(And because of several other reasons no amount of torture in the galaxy could make her reveal.)

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...Uncomfortable squirm.

"Ask again when I've gotten to know her," she grouches.

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"Alright."

"It's unlikely to come up, anyways - I'm not trying to make her fall, or even really lure her. Perhaps she's simply open minded; perhaps she thinks she can lure me all the way back to the light."

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"I'm not letting her steal you from me," Fidela says, sharply.

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Vader's hand and presence in the Force ghost over her hair. "Peace, apprentice. I'm much too old and settled in my ways for that." And with a teasing smile: "Besides, I even more highly doubt she'd be interested in a more intimate relationship, given my terms."

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Fidela blushes a bit - she still hasn't agreed to Vader's 'terms' for a romantic/ sexual relationship, but she thinks about it often enough. Still, she has to give at least as good as she gets, so she responds with: "I wouldn't mind that. She's cute, and she'd be cuter under your power."

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That earns her an embarrassed twist in Vader's emotions. "I already said I'm not going to seduce her, apprentice - to the dark side or anywhere else."

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"If it's seduction we're talking about, no need. I've got you covered."

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"I'll enjoy watching you try."

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And Fidela's Master accuses her of being a brat.

Sensing the conversion has run its course, she tilts her pad back towards Vader with a few questions about what she's been reading...

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Vader, it seems, has yet to exhaust her energy for teaching - she settles in next to Fidela, close enough they'd be nearly touching if she was made of flesh and blood, and she starts going through the text with her favorite apprentice. 

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Pleasantly cozy.

Fidela pushes herself to keep going, not wanting to miss a second of Vader's presence, until her heavy eyelids start blurring the text. 

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Vader pulls the blanket over her as she falls asleep, then adjusts her pillow to be more comfortable for her new position. 

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She drifts off feeling warm. 

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And Vader stays to watch her. 

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Several days later, she's still in a good mood as she returns to Elesse's side. 

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"You seem happy."

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"I enjoyed our talk last time, so I'm happy to be here. Training with my apprentice has also been going well..."

(Pleasure from interacting with Elesse was predictable. She hadn't... Anticipated, really, how much of a delight teaching Palpatine would be.)

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"Am I allowed to know what you do for training?"

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"Yes, if you'd like."

"We've been focusing on philosophy, lately, so I expect the training hasn't been anything too exciting or salacious - I've been giving her readings and a few essays to do, and we've been discussing things. She's a brilliant young woman." Warm fond glow.

"Her physical training and training in the Force are proceeding nicely as well - since I obviously can't spar directly with her, I've had her sign up for a few different civilian martial arts classes - using the Force in those without anyone noticing has been another form of training all its own. On top of more open Force exercises and assorted obstacle courses under my supervision, of course." With a teasing smile: "She's taken a liking to parkour."

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Elesse makes a face. "I noticed that."

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"Not a sport you favor?"

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"Not when someone's using it to run away from me!"

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"You don't enjoy races, then?"

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"Not when it's against a suspect and I'm on the clock. That's work."

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"But it'd be different off the clock?"

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"It'd be a different context, at least."

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"I'll tell her to minimize the flirting when you're on Jedi business."

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"Implying we'd ever meet not on Jedi business?"

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"Well, it's a matter of perspective whether 'motivating her to seek you out off the clock' counts as a downside."

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"I'll reserve judgement until it happens." Elesse should not tell Vader that her endorsement is a point in favor.

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"I'll keep an eye on things when it does."

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"...Are you expecting something to go wrong?"

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"It's more that I expect to enjoy watching."

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"Oh. I see."

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"You're both fine young women."

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"I'll reserve judgement on that, too."

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"Alright."

"Of course, it'll be difficult for you two to meet while you're still confined to the Temple..." 

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"Probably I'll be able to at least go out into the city on my own recognizance in a week or so. Even if offworld will take longer than that."

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"Coruscant isn't difficult to visit, at least."

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"So you can reassure your apprentice it won't give away her base of operations too much."

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"She'll appreciate that, true."

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Smile.

"Anyway, I found some documents in the archives about some of what we were talking about last time-"

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She has even more thoughts (and far more knowledge than can be imparted in one day, no matter how long) on that, of course...

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Another productive day, then.

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Vader stays as long as Elesse wants again.

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She could get used to this kind of attention.

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(It isn't something she gets from her own Master?)

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Master Breha... hm. How to say it. She usually has a goal in mind with their time together.

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Hmmm...

Vader's primary responsibility is to her apprentice - but if Fidela and Elesse can get on opposite sleep schedules, she could come more often, at least for a few hours...

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It's not really that big a deal. She doesn't need to go out of her way.

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She does enjoy speaking with Elesse, though. 

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Far be it from Elesse to say she can't, then.

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(Soft smile.)

Are evenings convenient?

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Most of the time. Presumably Vader is capable of surreptitiously checking.

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She is, yes.

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Elesse wouldn't mind seeing her more often. Y'know. If she's not otherwise busy.

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She can guarantee most evenings, then come when she isn't otherwise occupied? Including planning longer stretches perhaps once a week? (Her apprentice does need some time for solo work, after all, and there's only so much useful spying to do on Plagueis.)

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Sounds good.

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On the subject of future meetings... Is there anything Elesse wants to learn besides history?

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Maybe... they could discuss some philosophy?

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She considers herself well versed in that as well, fortunately - and it could dovetail nicely with the history lessons at times. Philosophical thought has changed quite a bit over the millennia, and she believes it's important to view philosophical movements in their proper historical context...

"Though, do you have a specific question right now?"

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"Not a specific one, really."

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"Do you want an overview of what philosophical movements I'm well versed in? Or... It is about when most people go to sleep. I can return tomorrow evening, when you've had a chance to go through the library and think."

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"Tomorrow. I should sleep."

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"Alright; sleep well." She begins to fade out. 

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Elesse spends much of the next day (when her time isn't already scheduled for) in the library, brushing up. She doesn't want Vader to be able to catch her off-guard easily.

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(She does her own brushing up - her eons of experience works best for teaching when combined with primary sources, after all, and she didn't pay much attention to some things previously. (She is only somewhat cheating on how she's engaging with said primary sources; there's a lot of advantages to briefly unanchoring herself from this one manifestation in this one fragment of spacetime, after all.))

Vader appears as soon as Elesse's fully settled in her quarters that evening, leaning slightly against a wall near Elesse.

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"Okay, just so we're both on the same page, you're not allowed to talk me into falling to the dark side tonight."

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"You said your determination is to not let anyone else choose your path, earlier; I won't do anything to contradict that." Also she doesn't want to make Elesse fall, doesn't want to corrupt her. Well she does but she shouldn't. "Tonight or in the future."

"I won't lie about the dark side, nor the Sith, either to make them look worse or better - but I won't discuss them directly unless you ask, how about? And I could change the topic if I sense you feeling conflicted about a line of inquiry?"

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"That sounds fair. I do want to, um, understand how you think."

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"Including wider Sith philosophy, or just my personal opinions?"

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"Both, I think."

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"I'd like to start with a historical overview, then, to give a... Scaffold, let's say."

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"Scaffolds are good. Context is important."

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"Alright."

"The basics, first: the Sith Code was originally penned sixty nine hundred years ago by Sorzus Syn, a Jedi who was exiled after the Hundred Year Darkness following the Second Great Schism. She was an influential philosopher in her day, and she saw a need for a new mantra to unify the Jedi exiles in their opposition to the Jedi Order. She therefore wrote it in conversation with the Jedi Code, and it should be read as such - failing to acknowledge that has been a major blind spot of Jedi leadership through the years. The fact that it directly responds to the Jedi Code is part of why it's appealing to Jedi at risk of falling."

"In my opinion, it shouldn't be treated as a rule, but as a tool for meditation and reflection. That is true of Sith philosophy in general; while Sith organizations have been usually coercive, the philosophy taken at its face encourages individualism and independence of thought. The Code also should be treated as the nearly seven thousand year old poem that it is - it's been translated many times, and even minor literal translations can greatly change the meaning, just by different connotations of the words involved. 'Peace' has been one of the most contentious single words through its history, in terms of both translation and interpretation - the original word generally meant, when used in poetical or philosophical contexts, a state of perfect quiet and stillness, as driven by an absence of conflict - it was actually the same word from the Jedi code that currently gets translated as 'serenity,' as indicated by its contrast with 'passion.' Its current primary translation as 'peace' reflects the increasing emphasis on the sense of 'absence of conflict' by the Sith over the years, which began even in Syn's day and was fully realized by the time of the Old Sith Wars, when much of the Sith philosophical 'canon' crystallized. There have, however, been several schisms even since then centered on disagreements over translation and interpretation of the Code as a whole, as well as over which works should be considered canonical versus apocryphal versus fully heretical, or in a few particularly spicy heresies over whether there even is a canon proper - I suppose you could say I'm a member of one of those heresies."

"The code, in its current most common translation into Basic, is as follows:"

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

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"I can see how it rhymes- and why it might sound appealing."

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"It isn't for everyone, and it's incredibly easy to turn to ill ends."

"It's easy to blame others for their chains, to decide they deserve whatever they get. It's easy to reject any bounds on your worst impulses, even your own conflicting desires; it's easy to decide that the desires 'society' approves of least are in turn the least likely to have been imposed upon you, and therefore the most authentic. It's easy to value the short term pursuit of passion over the long term pursuit of freedom. It's easy to gain power by taking it from others. It's easy to see negotiation as deception."

("But even as it's easy to see the pursuit of peace as the pursuit of a quiet oppression - it's very easy, in turn, for the pursuit of quiet oppression to disguise itself as the pursuit of peace. The peace of the Republic has rather often been won by the silence of the marginalized.")

"But... The easy path is also rarely the correct path."

"In my personal life..."

"Selfishness is toxic to both an individual and their society, except for when it is necessary - I was never allowed to be truely selfish, whether I trained under the Jedi or the Sith. Always the desires of those greater than me constrained me. Selflessness proved just as toxic as selfishness. I did not know how to stand on my own, how to even acknowledge my passions, let alone pursue them. I needed to learn to live for myself - and it wasn't until I embraced true selfishness that I found reasons to be kind, beyond a childish desire for my Jedi Master's approval, or an equally childish rebellion against the Master of my childhood. I care about freedom; I care that all sapients attain their freedom, their self actualization, whatever that might look like. However, this, too, has its trap, in the assumption that one might know another's path - perhaps even the assumption that one can know one's own path is a trap in itself."

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"It seems like a general hard problem to have an- organizational level philosophy or ethos that works for everyone or even most people. Because people are different, with different values and different ways of responding to the same proposal. Some need strict structure, others need to be left on their own entirely. So I can see where- if you're designing that philosophy from the ground up, you decide which direction you want more of your, um, failures for lack of a better word, to fall. The old Sith obviously didn't want to fall back into being Jedi, which informed their Code and how they started to interpret it, and the Jedi have been doing sort of the same thing in reverse, they don't want their members to become Sith. This doesn't work all the time but like I said, I don't know if there's anything that could even work all the time."

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"It's... Difficult. And from what I've seen of history, many attempts to fix it just make it worse."

"And yes, the Sith and Jedi's philosophies have been in conversation since the inception of the Sith Order. They aren't quite mirrors of each other, but... The failings of one are usually the strength of the other, in ways that truly distinct systems wouldn't experience."

"In my opinion... It's impossible overall to have one philosophy that'll fit every Force user. It's... Never actually been tried yet to have multiple truly separate, fully legitimate organizations of Force users within one wider political or geographical system larger than the scale of a single solar system."

(It'll be tried in the future, of course, even a million years will utterly dwarf the entire complicated arc of Jedi and Sith history - and a trillion will make a tiny speck out of the full history of galactic civilization. She can't exactly explain political theory rooted in examples that haven't happened yet, though.)

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"Huh. That's... a weird thing to think about."

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"What part?"

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"The multiple organizations part. The Jedi are a little, uh, all-encompassing in terms of things we do."

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She nods. "It leaves few options for those who don't fit in." 

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"But at the same time, there are many ways to be a Jedi, and you don't have to leave everyone behind to do something else."

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"There are limits to that 'something else,' though, including using the dark side."

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"Or like, indiscriminate murder. Not that I'm saying those are the same thing, just, there always have to be some limits."

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"Of course. But is it wise or fair for their price to be the same?" 

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"Maybe not. But you'd have to do a lot of work changing culture and demonstrating that there can be a difference before that's practical."

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She nods. "Easier to do with a distinct group, I believe."

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"Sure. And starting one has its own problems."

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"Perhaps I and my apprentice will make useful progress."

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"Fighting an uphill battle by keeping the name 'Sith' in the mix."

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"The increased legitimacy with current dark side cults might balance that out, however." 

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"I kind of hope there aren't as many of those."

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"...There always are, and there always will be - absent efforts as thorough and extensive as the Rakata's. It's... For the better, actually, even when those cults are toxic - you can't suppress the dark side by removing darksiders, and it's an incredibly bad idea to succeed."

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"Why so?"

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"The Force is complicated, and it's... Difficult to explain in a way a living mind can grasp. I'll try, though."

"For this portion... Imagine for a moment a sphere composed of several liquids. The surface is cool, viscous, and as such moves slowly. It's very easy to track its currents, and it forms a crust. Far under it lies another layer - far hotter, under much greater pressure, dense but wishing to expand. Like magma, it will vent through whatever cracks in the surface present themselves to it, with a force determined by the underlying pressure that's built up, and by the size of the crack. Except for these outbursts, its currents can only be measured indirectly."

"Now, what happens when there are numerous scattered, moderately sized vents? When there are many significant vents, but they are clustered? When there are a single digit number of great and a diffuse scattering of minor vents?"

"Then, what happens to the surface above if there are no vents?"

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"An explosive breach?"

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"Yes. It's part of what brought down the Infinite Empire - the Rakata essentially sought to remove all currents, all imperfections in the Force beyond what they commanded, creating the equivalent of a perfect sphere without weak points that could become a new vent, and without paths through which the surface could move. It created a rupture throughout the Force, both dark and light, destroying all of their Force-dependent technology."

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"Huh... I was aware they'd vanished but- not like that."

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"I can direct you towards a few ruins that contain hints, including the records they kept of their campaign to control the Force, as well as some Sith archives including archeological investigations... But most of this is from a rather deep understanding of the Force, which there are sources outside of me for, but which my main source is a combination of 'personal experience' and 'communicating with other ghosts.'"

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"Don't know when I'll have time for independent investigation, but I'll take the citations."

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She'll give them! Including a warning of: "Let me know when and if you're going - many of these areas are dangerous, and I can further guide you once you're there."

"It's alright if you want to take your time, too, or leave them be. After all, my apprentice would be rather put out if you got the first crack at some of the archives..."

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"That kind of makes me want to make those a priority."

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"Well, if you want her to declare you her eternal rival..."

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"Perhaps it would be character-building."

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"It'd also provide an excuse for her running into you more often..."

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"Does she need one?"

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"Depends on what questions you want the Jedi asking."

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"She's not going to be subtle enough they won't notice? After all the grief she was giving about not exposing her..."

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"Your Master might notice some statistical improbabilities eventually..."

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"Depends if she's going to make every meeting an Incident, I guess."

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"Not the off the clock ones, at least."

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"That should buy a little time."

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"You've already done the leg work of establishing her as a contact, too, which will help with some of them. The hardest to explain would likely be the archeological sites themselves..."

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"We can figure that out later."

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She isn't sure Elesse is thinking through all of the consequences of associating with Sith, but... "Alright."

They've gotten a bit off their original topic, haven't they...?

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Avoid thinking about one hard thing by thinking about a different, more theoretical hard thing. Works every time, no problems ever guaranteed.

Elesse will spin into some off-the-cuff line-to-line comparisons between the Jedi and Sith Codes, and see if in the negative space between she can derive some of the various Sith heresies from first principles.

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More than a few, actually, and she can get most of the ones resting centrally on the Code proper. (Vader can obviously suggest further reading on the heresies, though she doesn't think the Jedi have most of it - so corroboration might require access to an archive site, or just Fidela giving her some digital copies next time they meet... (Some of the heresies also eventually ascended to canon - one of the most entertaining in her view was a heretical text from the later phase of the Old Republic, which was denounced as heretical in its time but saw resurgence during the Brotherhood of Darkness and is currently considered a core part of the Baneite canon - 'There is No Canon' by Lord Gant.))

Heresies in general of course also flourished in the early and late days of each formulation of the Sith Order, and resurgences caused by Jedi Great Schisms such as the one prior to the rise of the New Sith saw the greatest popularity of heresies related to the Code...

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It's like a hobby for them.

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It's something Sith philosophy innately encourages, honestly - even with the repressive efforts of the various regimes. Add that on top of the Sith Order frequently waning and then being reinvigorated by a new generation of darksiders, several times already heretical Dark Jedi... 

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There's something to be said for the flux of ideas, making sure you're not missing out on good ones... But it's not exactly conducive to stability, as the history of the Sith equally proves.

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The lack of stability also means good ideas rarely survive long, feeding into the overall philosophy that the loudest voices - the strongest Sith - get their way. 

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Elesse doesn't think she's a fan, on balance.

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It's been a dysfunctional system - one she's hoping to address, though it'll take extensive work... Fortunately, Vader herself is immortal, but it'd be impractical to centrally involve her, especially since it's likely she'll return to her lonely existence after Fidela and Elesse pass...

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Doesn't really sound fortunate, then.

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She... She's existed an incredibly long time like this. But... She'd rather not... Return to that existence, true. Even if she could continue to influence things, it...

True eternity is one of those things that seems far nicer than it actually is.

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Maybe... Maybe they can figure something out. So she doesn't have to be alone.

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That'd be... Nice. But other than someone joining her - Vader suspects knows she'll out-exist mortal civilization - she's not sure what can be done. She's part of the Force, now.

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"...It won't be a concern for a while yet." And she'd really rather not think about how even if she saves Elesse, she only has the lifespan of a human to look forward to. How even if she extends Elesse's life to the greatest extent possible, that still isn't long.

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"Yeah." Uhhh topic change topic change topic change she had a few questions about Vader's perspective on some of the Jedi schisms?

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She goes along with the topic change readily, relaxing a little. (Her main overarching opinion is that the initial spark for the schism often had a point, but the actual movements went off the rails - some of the lesser schisms weren't quite so dramatic, but all of the ones labeled as Great Schisms led to violent conflict between the sides; in her opinion the reaction of the Jedi as a whole was actually a major though obviously not sole driving factor in whether a difference in philosophies fizzled out, led to spirited debate but no actual full splits, led to a minor schism, or resulted in full blown war, as the orthodox and heretical factions fed into one another... In some cases this was fully justified, as the initial seed clearly contradicted the Jedi's moral codes, but in some cases it was an overreaction, and even when it was justified, a more even toned response could potentially have limited the scope...) She also has philosophical perspectives, too, including on some of the enduring themes of the various debates...

 She can go on about this fairly easily until the end of their time together, with more material left over for future discussions.

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Then they can save it for later.

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It wouldn't do to run out of things to talk about so soon.

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Assuredly not. Though she doesn't see it being an issue, somehow.

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True; Elesse's a delight to talk to. 

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Until later, then.

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Until tomorrow. (She fades out again.)

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Things continue much the same for the next week - until Elesse finally receives the news that the 'recommendation' she stay in the Temple is being relaxed. The Council still wants her on Coruscant for the time being, but she can at least go out into the city without awkward questions.

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She takes the news with grace and without an immediate suspicious change in behavior. But she does have interests outside the Temple, some specialist libraries her varied academic interests led her to, certain shopping and entertainment districts her master encouraged her to explore as basic lessons in building a contact network, restaurants she takes culinary inspiration from.

There's opportunity for chance meetings to happen, should the Force will it.

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She sees a familiar face in one of those libraries, a girl her age perusing the stacks. (Her Force signature feels totally unremarkable; any Jedi could be forgiven for assuming she isn't Force sensitive.)

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What a coincidence.

"Looking for something specific? Or just browsing?"

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"A bit of both." She grins at Elesse. "Anything you'd recommend?"

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"Zerago's Coruscantia is the standard reference for a reason, but it being the standard reference and you being here I have to expect you've already perused it. I suppose any recommendations would depend on if your interest in Core World gemcutting history and practice is aesthetic or practical."

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"A bit aesthetic, a bit practical, a bit economic. What's your interest?"

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"Aesthetic, I would say. The craft is interesting but it's not something I have time to really focus on."

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"Time's always the hardest thing to find."

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"At least for interesting people."

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"So you find me interesting?"

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"I haven't confirmed that you aren't, at least."

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"Well, you're pretty interesting. I'll just have to prove I'm the same."

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"Whatever gave you the impression I'm interesting?"

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"Intuition, naturally." 

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"Oh, naturally."

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"I often see things others can't." Teasingly: "And I think you do, too."

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"That's part of being a Jedi."

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"Not a distinction I can claim."

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"So I surmised. My name's Elesse, by the way. What can I call you?"

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"My name's Lily Palpatine, or just Lily. It's good to meet you, Elesse." 

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"Likewise." Headtilt. "Do you actually want a recommendation on what's worth reading here...?"

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"It wouldn't go amiss. I'm more interested in talking to you, though."

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"In that case, I know a cafe a few blocks away that might be a better venue for conversation."

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"Lead the way."

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Elesse will do so, briefly detouring to pick up her recommended further reading, then to the cafe. Elesse will order an Alderaanian cloudberry tea for herself.

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She orders the same to start, after a brief glance through the menu. "My treat," she offers when the waitress asks if they'll be together or separate.

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"As the lady says," Elesse agrees.

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The waitress accepts that and goes to get their teas started.

"I think I like the sound of 'lady,'" Lily teases.

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"Courtesy costs me nothing."

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"So you're just humoring me?"

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"I do have some diplomatic training."

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"I don't mind a bit of un-diplomatic behavior, if we're being honest with each other." Prefers it, actually. 

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"I'll make a note of it."

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"But you'll hold off anyways?"

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"A certain amount of diplomacy helps me feel comfortable in uncertain situations."

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She nods, expression suddenly more serious. "I understand. I'm alright going at your pace, here."

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"I appreciate that."

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Pause, then: "A place like this isn't somewhere I'm comfortable being serious - it's too public. You alright sticking to discussing your reading recommendations?" 

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"If you'd prefer." Elesse does have plenty of opinions she can share.

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She has opinions as well, and a couple of insights - and she'll openly compare Core World gemcutting traditions to others, mentioning she's most familiar with Naboo's rather extensive history there...

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Naboo is actually kind of an interesting case, despite its galactographic position it actually has more in common with old Core traditions than other Mid Rim interpretations or the way practice evolved in the Core itself.

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It's a very firmly traditionalist society - the original human settlers were from a Core world a bit under four thousand years ago, though an apparent tendency to cling to 'the way things are done' has masked a lot of effective changes, especially around an increase in ceremonialism - she can point out a few major differences Naboo's developed, and a few points that are the product of recent rennaissance trends, not of actual unbroken tradition...

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Sounds like she's pretty familiar with the culture.

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"It's where I'm from, originally."

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"Everyone has to be from somewhere."

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"Then where are you from?"

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"I was born on Alderaan, but I was brought to the Temple here on Coruscant when I was three. I consider myself a Jedi before an Alderaanian."

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"...I can't imagine growing up a Jedi."

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"It's not how a lot of human cultures would raise children, but it's not entirely unknown among other sapients."

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"Do you think it's... Better overall?"

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Headtilt. "'Better' is... hard to generally quantify. The crechemasters do try continually to make sure no one is- harmed, by growing up in the Temple."

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"...I wouldn't want to be a Jedi." Shrug. "But... Being given to the Temple is pretty much the only legal way for royal house Naboo children to be separated from their parents, short of legal emancipation after inheritance or the House matriarch permitting a cadet branch."

She shakes her head then and forces the distant expression from her face. "We've gotten off topic, haven't we?"

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"Maybe a little. What do you do to afford thinking about gemcutting, if you don't mind me asking?"

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"Inheritance," she says teasingly. "The same way I finally got my emancipation."

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"So you're a gentlewoman of leisure."

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Light laugh. "I have other things to keep myself busy, anyways."

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"Oh? Maybe there are other hobbies we share."

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"Maybe."

"I like running, actually - parkour, when I can find a good place." Grin. "Hardly a gentlewoman's pursuit, though."

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"Perhaps you aren't truly one, then. You do seem to be rather insistently sending me mixed signals."

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"I can be a woman of noble birth and independent means without embracing all the cultural trappings."

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"Noble birth, independent means, and a free thinker as well. It seems you are the complete package."

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"Truly one of a kind."

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"Quite. Perhaps we can run together at a later time, if we are both free."

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"My schedule's flexible most of this week."

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They can set a time in a couple days, how about?

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Works for her.

Does she want to meet at the library or somewhere before that?

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Does she have any favored courses here?

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"I'd like to spend a bit more time together, if you're amenable? We could talk more about gemcutting - I've got a few examples I could show you, actually - or something else. I like history and engineering best, but I'm a gentlewoman of many interests."

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"In addition to the running?"

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"It's important to exercise both the body and the mind." 

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"I'm not opposed in principle, but I don't have a lot of time to get out before then."

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"I can give you my comm code? Or we can just see if we run into each other." Meaning: if Elesse leaves the Temple she will definitely see Lily, through the power of ghost-enabled stalking.

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"We can swap comms." There's a limit to coincidence, even for Jedi.

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She gives hers. 

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Elesse reciprocates, to keep up appearances. Even though Lily already has it.

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She doesn't comment, obviously. 

"I'll see you soon?"

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"We have a date."

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Little flare of pleasure. "I'm looking forward to it." 

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"Until then." Elesse will take her leave.

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Lily heads out, too, towards the nearest metro stop. 

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One evening a few days later - after Elesse's had another chance to meet Lily at the library, but before their planned race - one evening, there's a knock on Elesse's door. 

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Vader trails off in the middle of an explanation about the governing structures of the Sith Empire in the era of the Great Galactic War, looking at the door.

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Oops. At least Elesse wasn't talking herself. She switches screens on her tablet.

"Come in," she calls.

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The door opens, and Meinwen steps in. She's carrying a tablet of her own. As the door closes behind her: "Elesse, good evening, I'd wanted to ask you - "

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- And then she pulls up short, and her gaze snaps a bit to Elesse's right - 

- She's looking directly at Vader - 

- She takes half a step back, startled - 

"Who - what - "

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"You can see her?"

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Why is that in question. 

"Yes."

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" - Can you hear me?"

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"...Also yes." Somewhat - but she can also only somewhat see the woman. A shadow under the ebb and flow of the Force, a tiny reflection through the shatterpoint... But she's there.

"Elesse. I'd like an explanation, please."

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She catches the edge of what Meinwen truly perceives - and... Interesting...

(She had deep bonds to both Elesse and Palpatine in life; it makes sense they can see her, if anyone can. But Mace - she had no bond to him - but he was insightful, and kind, and the only Jedi who still believed in her, trusted her by the end - the only person at all except Breha who would listen - )

Meinwen isn't actually Mace, likely did or will die before his time (though that doesn't explain why Elesse has been born so early - not relevant), but...

Privately, to Elesse: "I think she's trustworthy." But Elesse has refused to tell her own Master about Vader, nevermind that Vader would (did) literally trust Breha with the most important things in the galaxy - nevermind that hiding their interactions is... Suboptimal. Vader still doesn't understand why, if Elesse simply can't say certain things out loud or if there's something deeper going on, but... "I can speak to her, if you wish?"

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"Uh. It turns out ghosts are real. Annnnnd I've been talking with this one."

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"And you haven't told me or Breha because...?"

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"I didn't know you would be able to perceive her. No one else," among the Jedi, "can."

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That doesn't seem like a very good reason to her.

"Elesse... Who is she?" Please do not fucking say 'a darksider' but even more please do not blatantly lie about that when Meinwen can feel it -

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When you're at the bottom of a gravity well, stop accelerating down. Right. "Um. Remember when I said we should approach Fidela nonviolently? This is why. I first saw her on that planet, and, uh. She's Fidela's master. Vader. We... talked, briefly."

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She... Doesn't seem as surprised as she should, perhaps.

"...Well, that's better than my other guesses for how you were coordinating with Fidela," is the first thing she says, because it is probably important Elesse realize she's a bad liar and also Meinwen needs. Time. At least a moment. To think.

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"Yeah."

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"Elesse - just - "

"Why?"

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"To which part?"

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"I don't know! Just - why did you talk to her, why did you hide talking to her - why everything!"

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"It seemed like a good idea at the time! She's been able to talk to three people, ever! I can't just- just leave her."

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Oh.

She knows what the Jedi Masters would say, but - "You pity her?"

Is that... Really a reason to speak to a Sith Lord? To hide her? (Is there any reason at all - and if there isn't, then what does that say about their world?)

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"What's the point of being a Jedi if I can't help someone who needs it?"

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"...I don't know. But..." 'What's the point of being a Jedi' sounds... Complicated, and like something the Masters probably should be the authority on. But... She speaks even as she thinks, finding it easier to pin down her thoughts that way amidst the chaos of this moment: "What is mercy, if not pity applied to the guilty? What is benevolence, if not pity fixed on a particular person? Yet neither pity nor mercy nor benevolence are part of the Jedi Code - and, Elesse..."

"You're a good person; that's more important than being a good Jedi."

"But... I want to help you if you need it - and how can I know what you need, if you won't talk to me? We're friends, damn it."

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"Didn't think I needed help."

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"Everyone needs help. And you've got me, whether you realize it or not."

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"Thanks."

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Nod.

...The ghost has faded out of view, but Meinwen doesn't really trust that means she's gone. The woman's been imperceptible before. Still, though...

"...I already told Master Antilles about you acting... Weird around Fidela. I don't know if she told Master Organa, or what either of them have guessed, but Master Antilles asked if I thought you'd been compromised. I... You need to come clean - or we need to try to deflect suspicion, or something. Clandestine meetings will only get you so far, and..." She puts a hand to her head and sighs. "And I'm worried about you."

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"I don't want to turn it into a fight if it doesn't have to be."

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"Would it turn into a fight, if you told Master Organa?"

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"If she told anyone else."

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"You think she would?"

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"I'm not sure she wouldn't."

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She doesn't know Elesse's Master well enough to dispute that. "I don't... Think... Master Antilles would report you to anyone other than maybe Master Organa. However she would think this course of action is... Ill-advised." Okay she'd probably call it dumb, but Meinwen is marginally more diplomatic. She'd also probably be right.

"We can also just... Start with talking to them about Fidela? She's less... Alarming. Say she reached out and asked to talk or something. ...Has she reached out?" 

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Mrrrrrr conflicting obligations. "Not... officially."

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...Okay yeah she's going to indulge in a single facepalm about that. "Elesse..." She shakes her head. "...I want to talk to her - either Fidela or Vader - by myself. And... Then I can honestly tell our Masters that I spoke to her."

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"Can you- try talking to her?" Elesse asks Vader.

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"I will." (She hasn't, actually, left, just tried to remove herself from view.)

She fades back in, stepping forward in an unnecessary pretense to stand in front of Meinwen. "Can you hear me alright?" she asks, actively striving to be visible. It's... Not something she does a lot, not anymore, and it's hard to reach out to lightsiders this way, but...

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Mace had always been perceptive - his alt is no different. 

Meinwen's eyes focus, and she nods, before looking at Elesse. "Do you want time to meditate, and I can talk to Vader now, or would you rather keep talking to me, and I'll talk to her later?" she asks, a bit overly formally but... Not coldly. Or trying not to be distant, at least.

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"You can go ahead and ask your questions."

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She'd wanted to ask in private, but... "You'd be more comfortable if we talked here?"

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"Marginally."

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"We can talk here then." Even if she doesn't really like it. 

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She turns to the ghost, then. "Darth Vader, right?" Meinwen asks, perhaps a bit acerbically. 

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"One of the titles I have borne, yes," she replies softly, "And the one I use today."

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"What other titles have you had?"

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"Slave. Jedi Knight. Mother. Savior; hero; monster. I've been all these things and more." She keeps her expression and presence in the Force carefully controlled.

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"You were a Jedi, once?" It seems… Incongruous, but perhaps explains part of Elesse's actions - a fallen Jedi feels less distant than someone raised as a Sith. (Also… There's a shatterpoint in this conversation, she knows there is, but…)

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"Yes. I fell after an argument with my Jedi Master accidentally resulted in her death."

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She furrows her brow, and just like the flow of battle -

Suddenly, where and how to strike is obvious. 

"That's not true," she says on instinct. "You fell before then - and it wasn't entirely an accident."

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Perfect, even stillness, nothing readable - a crouched predator in wait - but somehow Meinwen has seen through her. "You see shatterpoints." Like Mace - she spares a brief thought to wonder if every rare Jedi with that ability has actually secretly been a Mace alt. 

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With narrow eyes: "Yes. And you hiding your Force signature isn't helping me trust you."

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"I suppose it wouldn't," she muses, and then forces herself to draw back some of that veil.

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"I want to know who you are, not your titles - how do I know I can trust you with my friend?"

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She hums, then: "Alright. My history… I suppose a better accounting of that is the best place to start?"

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"It'd help."

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Nod. "I was born the child of a Sith Lord. She didn't bother raising me herself; she gave me to someone else, the Master of my childhood, who raised me to use the Dark Side - and who, upon discovering my talents for hiding myself, decided she was entitled to use me as her assassin. She drew the attention of the Jedi. Three of them came and raided her base; one of them came directly to kill her - that woman, a Jedi Master, became my Jedi Master after. She rescued me, and she told me I needed training, and… That meant the Jedi. I wanted…"

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"I wanted a parent, I suppose. I wanted someone to be proud of me. I wanted someone to be happy with me. I wanted someone to love me. So, I agreed on the condition that she become my Jedi Master. She agreed, and she fought to keep me as hers."

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"It was… I loved her. But I never saw what few friends I'd had again; I never made new friends, except for one woman I met briefly on a mission when I was nine - I met her again and again, as I aged, and she told me I was a bright, mature girl. My Jedi Master gave me enough freedom to get myself in trouble - I started intentionally meeting with that woman. I saw her as my friend, at least at first, but… I hid the relationship from the Jedi - I knew I was too attached, but, more than that, I knew her interest in me was wrong. I didn't want to face that; I preferred telling myself that I really was unusually mature, and that my wit was enough to snare the attention of a woman old enough to be my mother, and I believed her easily when she called me beautiful - I believed her far too easily when she called me too wondrous to resist, no matter how much trouble I could get her in. I agreed to keep our little secret."

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"Your Master didn't notice?" Meinwen asks, because Vader doesn't have to spell out the exact trauma for Meinwen to see how that must have gone.

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"Elesse's Master is wise, and a Shadow exceptionally skilled in subterfuge, and she hasn't noticed her padawan regularly meeting with Sith," Vader points out, a bit dryly. "I actually think you should tell both your Masters about me, for what it's worth. I don't think it's healthy for Elesse to hide this." Not that Elesse agrees, though, and Vader has backed off on pushing. 

"But my Jedi Master… She'd been self-sufficient as a padawan. By the time she was thirteen, she'd been running a few simple missions on her own. I'd been running missions on my own at eight, nevermind what side I was on. It is very easy even for the wisest of Jedi Masters to miss that the ability to plan and execute a complex sabotage and assassination operation without help nor being caught does not, in any way, shape, or form, imply an ability to make good life choices. Being able to articulate complicated and mature philosophical opinions, which I was also rather good at, does not actually constitute wisdom, for all that it's often used as a proxy in assessments."

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"...Fair," she concedes, while privately noting to avoid that particular mistake when it's time for her to take a padawan. ...Not that she has any idea how to.

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"Anyways…" Vader looks off to the side. "A war broke out after several years. I became a Knight near the start, and my Master and I were immediately separated to different fronts. We tried to keep in touch at first, but… Things got busy, I suppose, and eventually calls petered into texts and then into nothing at all." She sighs and makes herself look back at Meinwen - reminds herself to keep her presence in the Force readable. 

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"It didn't help that in the first major battle I was in, I discovered a talent for battle meditation - a massive talent. I became indispensable to the war effort overnight - especially since I didn't have the distance limits of most people with the talent. I needed someone I had a bond to as an anchor, and then I could act exactly as if I was there - I could lay on my bed in the Temple, meditating, and flit through every battle we'd stationed an anchor in. I formed bonds easily; that… Didn't make it hurt any less, when I failed, when assassins got through, and soldiers I'd grown accustomed to seeing as part of myself would die."

"And then… I managed to get critical intelligence through those talents - the location and defenses of the Sith Emperor. I brought them to the Council, who organized a strike force. I… Begged to be on the mission. I was told no." She goes quiet.

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"...You'd already done enough for the war," Meinwen says quietly, because she isn't cruel. "More than anyone else, it sounds like - and you'd sacrificed enough, too."

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Darth Vader gives her a sad, watery smile. "The Grandmaster of the Order said the same thing; it's good Elesse has a friend already as wise as that." (Mace Windu had technically stepped down at the start of the war to serve as a battlefield commander, but he deserves the title more than Yoda, so.)

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Meinwen flushes a little. "Basic kindness isn't wisdom," she tries to protest.

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"Perhaps not." Her smile fades. "And he told me to stay safe. It was likely in part strategic - the strike force was obviously a suicide mission - but… It'd been years since anyone had expressed concern for me, not for my combat capabilities, and… It didn't feel like a strategic call. I would likely have dramatically increased the strike force's success chance; what value was my life, next to the Sith's death?"

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"Every life is valuable." She refuses to believe anything else.

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"Yet, so were the lives of those we sent. The Grandmaster went on that mission; you could even say in my stead. He died. The mission failed. And then the Sith launched a sudden attack - everywhere, every front, and I immediately reached out, merged with every single ally I could find - there were more fronts than I had anchors, and I became… Something else. Something more. I reached to the Jedi, just as they reached to the Light Side of the Force. It was necessary; it wasn't sufficient. And so…"

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"So I reached to the Sith, just as they reached to the Dark Side of the Force. I fell; I decided to, I had to, because every rank and file soldier was resisting, slowing me down - but they were obedient to the Sith. I forced battle meditation with my enemies, and I killed them in droves."

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"It still wasn't enough. We lost, and in the chaos… I lost track of my Jedi Master. I panicked and went to go find her - with my flesh and blood body. I was… Angry, grieving, disconnected. I didn't know quite when or where I was, and she… She asked me why I wasn't part of the strike force. My response wasn't particularly coherent; I mostly yelled that she wasn't there. She said I'd never shied from facing evil before."

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"So, she called you a coward for not defying orders to join a suicide mission," Meinwen says, bluntly.

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"She didn't know about the orders. That would've required me being coherent enough to explain," Vader admits. "And that's not how she meant it - and even if she had, she wasn't wrong. We might not have lost, if I'd gone. If I'd killed the Emperor before the attack could be ordered. I... Would have preferred that world. It would have been better to die then, than to die later."

"But... You're right that that's how I heard it. I was offended, hurt, already hating myself for not dying in another's stead - it was easy to turn that hatred outside, then to lance every festering wound in our relationship at the same time. Our verbal argument escalated quickly, then turned into a physical fight. She'd always been a better duelist than I, and she'd spent the last few years on an active battlefield while I mostly sat there meditating - I had no chance. I seesawed between rage and terror - "

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"But I was strong in the Force, and I'd just figured out how to simply kill someone - and we still had our training bond, no matter how withered from disuse. I ripped it back open; she'd never even suspected it was an attack vector. She tried to defend herself, but… Her blade faltered. It was enough."

"And then I realized what I'd done, and promptly tried to kill myself. It didn't work."

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Meinwen winces. It's… She doesn't know what else to do, has so idea what to say. (She sees why Elesse feels pity for Darth Vader, enough pity to overcome millennia of wisdom.)

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"And then… My lover, the very woman who'd comforted me throughout the war, who'd been my only true attachment to life outside my Jedi Master - she caught up to me, and she gathered me into her arms, and she healed my body enough for prosthetics."

"And then she offered me training, and she declared me Darth Vader. She'd been a Sith, that entire time - she'd infiltrated the Republic. She'd seen me as an opportunity. But…"

"I couldn't live alone. No one truly can. And she was all I had left. I wanted to make her happy. I agreed."

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"It felt… Okay, sometimes. Normal. It felt horrible, sometimes. We had children together, twin girls; I faked their deaths and hid them. That lasted all of two decades. One of my daughters became a Jedi. My Sith Master thought she'd make a fine apprentice and engineered a confrontation."

"My daughter saw me, and she knew me. She cast aside her lightsaber and declared that peace was her only truth. My Sith Master grew angry with her intransigence; I killed her to protect my daughter. One of her attacks shorted out some of the implants keeping me alive, and I begged my daughter to let me go."

"She did, but…"

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"She let me go, yet I didn't leave her."

"I returned to the Light Side of the Force, so I could be there every time she drew on it, so she could glimpse me in her visions, so she could meet me in her dreams - we never spoke, we never could, but I was with her. I existed for her - and her sister, though she refused to touch the Force. Perhaps because I was part of it; she always did well at holding grudges."

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"...I would have liked to meet your daughter - the Jedi. She sounds... Like a good person. Like someone history shouldn't forget."

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"Both of them were good people, in their own ways. They were my greatest legacy."

"I love the Jedi still, for my daughter's sake - for all their faults, the kindest woman this galaxy has or will produce bore their name both proudly and humbly. She took little credit for her goodness; she merely said that she was a Jedi like her mother before her. Nothing more, and nothing less."

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"And yet... You still call yourself Sith?"

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Her smile fades. "I do now. Back then... I would have called myself a Jedi like my daughter after me, I suppose, if anyone had been able to ask."

"Yet... Both of my daughters died in the fullness of time, and I… For the first time, I had no one to exist for. No Master. No one to please. I didn't know who I was, away from others' light. I didn't know what I wanted, away from others' desires."

"And… I remembered then what the Grandmaster had told me, so long before: that I had already done far more than anyone had the right to ask. I finally… I finally accepted that wisdom. I stopped trying to find someone or something to exist for; I started, for the first time, to simply exist."

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"It's... A strange thought, that accepting a Jedi's wisdom could lead you..." She gestures a bit helplessly.

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She smiles again. "The Force holds stranger things than are dreamt of in any philosophy."

"And so, accepting a Jedi's wisdom, I found solace in the dark. It was easier to cohere as a ghost, easier to be a person with a distinct mind. It was easier to be selfish. I found I enjoyed history; I learned to wander back and forth through the mists of time. I read over people's shoulders, from time to time. I watched as the grand arc of civilizations bent to and fro; I bore silent witness to eternity. I was one with the Force, and at last it freed me."

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It sounds incredibly peaceful, but at the same time... "It sounds lonely."

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"It was." A small quirk of the lips. "And then a girl, an apprentice who'd been groomed by her Sith Master as I had been, spotted me. And… I couldn't leave her alone. I admitted to her that I was a Sith Lord, one obviously more powerful, more knowledgable than Darth Plagueis. I told her I'd conquered death as no Sith before or after me had. I told her my only desire was to see her flourish, to see others find the freedom I'd at last known; she let me take her from Plagueis, and let me rename her." Events are slightly out of order here, but that's been the case through the tale; she doesn't think either padawan will notice, though. 

"And then, while I was helping her with one of the many steps in our plan to truly free herself of him - sadly I lost the ability to kill people with my mind when I died - a Jedi padawan saw me."

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Meinwen turns that over in her head, and for some reason her head produces the observation that Darth Vader isn't really a Sith; she's more a pathetic little meow meow. …Meinwen resolves to spend less time on the holonet. 

"How do you know you haven't fallen back into just trying to make others happy with you?" she asks, because it does sure sound like at least half the reason Vader identifies specifically as Sith is because she's Master to someone who was already a Sith apprentice. And it sounds like Vader has been focusing on supporting Fidela and Elesse, not on selfish pursuits - at least not the kinds of selfishness usually attributed to passion. 

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She smiles. "For one, Fidela is a delight to teach, and it's my determination to be a good Master to her. There's a bit of selfishness to be found in breaking a cycle of abuse. And I'm not simply doing what I think will make her happy with me - I'm doing what I think will get the right lessons through her skull."

"For two…" She sends a fond glance at Elesse. "Speaking with Elesse is entirely selfish; I've spent the vast majority of my existence studying history and the great mysteries of the Force, but it turns out the joy of learning is multiplied again in sharing. And Fidela has little patience for my 'infodumps;' even in life, when I had more options for conversation partners, very few would set aside an entire day to listen to me ramble about my passions. Elesse asks insightful questions, too; I've already had to look a few things up, or been inspired to look deeper into something I'd previously skimmed past."

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She hums. "And in what time period did you live and die, again?" Something is… Askew.

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A wider smile. "I'll tell you what I told Elesse - all records of my life and its events are long lost. I died so long ago the number hardly means anything; I have been dead for only so many years as I've had something to interact with; I have not yet died."

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"And you're one with the Force, now," Meinwen says, slowly, a thought like a half-glimpsed shatterpoint refusing to settle in the back of her head.

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"Yes. That is what it means to truly die."

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…Hum.

"What are your intentions for Elesse?"

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"I'll start with what I don't intend - I don't intend to lure her into falling to the Dark Side. I don't intend to seduce her. I don't intend to manipulate her. I don't intend to do anything to chain her."

"I mostly intend to talk to her, honestly. It's… A simple pleasure. I'd like to see her grow into herself, and I'd like to see her free of chains; but I will leave how those paths are walked up to her. It's enough, for me, to simply exist beside her."

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Meinwen nods, slowly. "I think… I think I understand." Maybe. She needs to meditate. "I don't entirely know why, but… I trust you with Elesse. I'll help cover if it's necessary, and I'll pass on any critical intelligence from you or your apprentice to our Masters, so Elesse doesn't have to face questions."

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"I can give you much of what I know," Darth Vader says, "But… Darth Plagueis's true identity would lead very easily to my apprentice's name."

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She sighs. Well, nothing for it - "I'll advocate for her to be left alone. And if you give me her name, I can at least try to delay suspicion."

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She smiles, then briefly shares what she has.

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"Thank you. I… I don't think I have any other questions, at least for now." She glances at Elesse. 

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She shakes her head. (She heard all this before. It doesn't hurt less the second time.)

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"...I need to go meditate. I'll speak to Master Antilles tomorrow?"

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"All right."

"I trust you."

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"I trust you, too. But next time... Please try to tell me about stuff sooner?"

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"If there is a next time, definitely."

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"Three Sith would be certainly excessive."

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She points a finger an Meinwen. "It's on you now if there's another one."

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"I'll take full responsibility the minute I'm told, of course."

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"Perfect."

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She grins and heads out. 

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That was... not terrible. See what happens from here.

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Vader settles beside her. "Elesse... If listening to something hurts you - you don't need to listen every time."

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"I wanted to be sure she wasn't going to hurt you."

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Wash of fondness. "A few questions won't hurt me that much. Even if they bring up bad memories... It's alright."

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Huff. "I guess."

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"And... Elesse..."

"I don't... Want you to harm yourself for my sake." It had been nice having Elesse's quiet support - but. Still. (She wants Elesse to be a bit more selfish, she guesses, though in life she'd rarely been good at guessing what Elesse wants, let alone needs. And she doesn't quite know this younger Elesse well enough to predict her, yet - doesn't know how her selfishness would manifest.)

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"I did it because I wanted to."

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"I suppose I can't argue with that. And..."

"Thank you - I don't want to encourage bad habits, but... I appreciate that you want to listen to me, to protect me, even when you don't have to."

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Smile. "You're welcome."

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(Bright smile.)

So... Where were they with the history lesson...?

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Elesse will check her notes!

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She picks up where they left off. 

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Meanwhile...

She doesn't head to her rooms. Instead, she goes to one of the little used training salles in the older, inner layers of the Temple - a small and austere room, with no natural light and a single ceiling light which flickers unpleasantly. She always leaves it off, the deep glow of her purple saber and its gentle hum the only light and noise as she runs through her katas. The Force flows through her motion, through her stillness, through her thoughts. 

She leaves any electronics beyond her saber outside; if someone needs her, they can reach out to her in the Force, or else knock on the door. (Assuming they can find it; she's fairly sure the only ones who know where she goes to practice are Elesse and Master Antilles.)

She loses herself in the rapid, energetic movements of the style she's gradually developing. Her mind frees itself from its usual noise and worries, and into that peace she pulls her memory of Vader's words. 

 

She supports Elesse, because Elesse is her friend if nothing else. Elesse is also wise, with good insight, a strong sense of the Force... But that isn't everything, and as Vader just pointed out, it doesn't guarantee you'll make good life choices. 

(She's also fairly sure that every single Jedi Master who failed Vader was, at some level, wise and insightful and strong in the Force, and Vader herself very well might have been all those things too - it's... Comforting, she thinks, that Vader is trying to make sure she sees the potential pitfalls in her and Elesse's relationship. Vader's still hiding something, but... Meinwen doesn't think the thing she's hiding relates to her intentions for Elesse, nor even her opinion of the Jedi.)

(...Meinwen would not probably be able to say she loved the Jedi if she'd led Vader's life. Vader is... A strange person. But perhaps humans simply aren't built to hold grudges for millennia, even if they're deeply traumatized Sith. Or perhaps Vader is wise - perhaps it's possible, in fact, for Sith Lords to be wise.)

That thought rolls over her as she lowers her shaking arms at the end of her last kata. Sweat beads on her face and soaks the robes on her back. She doesn't know how long she's been exercising - that's rather the point of leaving everything but herself, her blade, and the Force outside this room. Her body's sore now, though, and her throat is dry, and her stomach is considering hunger, and she thinks she's come at last to a decision.

 

She extinguishes her blade, gathers her things, and grabs food from the cafeteria to take back to her room. 

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She wakes up early the next morning and waits for Master Antilles in their shared living room. 

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"Something we need to talk about?"

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"Yeah. It might take a while, though. And it... Involves that woman Elesse and I met."

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Asha goes to get her caf ready. "I have a feeling I'm going to need this... Start talking."

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Well, first...

"I spoke to Fidela's Master - Darth Vader."

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"You did what? Why?"

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...She really doesn't have a better excuse than Elesse's 'it seemed like a good idea at the time,' does she. 

"She had information on Darth Plagueis," even though that wasn't actually the initial reason why and Meinwen is not the best liar.

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"Keep going."

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"His real name is Hego Damask, Magister of Damask Holdings of the InterGalactic Banking Clan. His father was an agent and his mother a disciple of his Master, Darth Tenebrous - also known as Rugess Nome. The IBC is fairly thoroughly infiltrated." She also has information on their allies and patsies, plus the various places and times and ways they meet - not everything, not by a long shot, but she's hoping she can get some actual documents, even proof. (...She should ask Elesse to get Fidela to send those...)

...She also admits to having asked questions about Darth Vader's own branch of the Sith. 

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"And you believe- any of this?"

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Elesse believes it, and she's presumably had time to verify things, but also... "She felt honest, and she didn't initially realize I could see shatterpoints - she guessed after I caught her in a lie about her own identity, but her presence in the Force didn't shift at all after - no one I've met could hide lies from me if they only learned they need to mid-conversation without obvious discontinuities. And I don't think she let me see a false lie on purpose."

"And... Everything she said about Plagueis seemed right, and most of the details are verifiable. She didn't feel at all malicious towards me or the Jedi; she indicated she was only bothering to oppose Plagueis because he started it by attacking her apprentice - that seemed... Mostly true - Fidela on our first conversation accidentally hinted she used to be Plagueis's apprentice, and it seemed he attacked her once she tried to leave; Vader stepped in to defend her. I don't think Vader's been... Doing anything, as far as I can tell from her words and shatterpoints, she figured out life extension and then decided to be an immortal historian totally uninvolved in the things she was observing." Well, she definitely figured out coming back as a ghost. "She didn't feel ambitious to me - her apprentice might be a problem someday, Fidela was... Higher energy? Portentious? But I think Fidela's currently listening to Vader, who I really don't think is going to start anything. Vader also didn't actually feel... Powerful, I think all of her comparative advantage is in knowledge." Including that obtained through invisible spying.

"There are things she's hiding, including her identity, but..." Awkward shrug. "I think we can trust her information on Plagueis."

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"Uh huh. And where the fuck did this conversation happen?"

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...'Elesse's room' is right out as an answer, as is her previously prepared idea of 'she messaged me' since Meinwen can't usually get much over even holocalls. 

...She has left the Temple a few times since being released from unofficial house arrest. Not yesterday, but she did the day before, so...

Ugh. Well, this should be a pretty good preview of how hard Elesse is going to get yelled at for 'unofficially' meeting with Fidela, even if her frequent meetings with Vader in her own room don't come to light. 

"When I went to the library the day before yesterday." Not a great lie, but at least it's not easily falsifiable. 

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"Force save me from teenagers and their damn fool ideas. You couldn't have gone for a joyride in one of the ambassador boats instead? That was a dumbass decision and you're lucky to be here for me to yell at. But I'm guessing you know that, since it's been a day for you to work up to telling me. So. You're grounded. Again."

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She just nods. "You'll look into the information, though?"

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"I will look into why this is a trap, what Vader hopes to gain, and how to stop her from profiting by our actions."

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She crosses her arms. "And if you find Plagueis is a threat, and that he is in fact Hego Damask - ? I'm pretty sure all she hopes to gain is us taking out a rival for her - but if he's Sith, and if he's in fact actively propping up Black Sun and the Hutt Cartels, we want him taken out, too, and I don't think it's worth it if we end up dragging our feet moving against him just because a mutual enemy is offering to help, no matter how we plan to deal with her after."

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Asha snorts. "If he's Banking Clan, of course he's corrupt. I would be more surprised to learn there was an executive who didn't have ties to Black Sun or the Hutts. But Sith or not, taking out one person isn't going to collapse the underworld. So don't get your hopes up."

"You have a written report?"

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"Of course." She'll send it over - it's fairly bare bones on how she actually acquired the information, but it's thorough on what she was told (about Plagueis, not Vader).

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Asha takes it. "You're not confined to quarters but don't leave the Temple. Maybe think about signing up for more classes. Discover a new hobby."

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Sigh. "Sure."

It's time to work on her katas, if nothing else - and some of the things Vader said... Meinwen doesn't know enough about the more in depth, esoteric parts of Force theory for her thoughts to fully gel.

"I have some research I've been meaning to do on the nature of shatterpoints," she says after a moment of thought, "And I'll see if Elesse wants to spar more." Elesse definitely needs someone trying to maintain social connections with her who isn't a Sith Lord.

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"New hobbies, I said... Oh whatever. Just stay out of trouble."

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"I'll do my best."

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With that settled for now, Asha apparently has business to take care of this morning.

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She'll head to the library in the meantime (and message Elesse asking for a spar later; she mentions she got put back on house - or, well, Temple - arrest).

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Officially??
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no i just got grounded until further notice by master antilles

 

but like if i try to leave the temple she might get it upgraded

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Not as bad as it could be, I guess. What's she going to do?
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she accepted my report at least, will look into things, but she doesn't think taking out plagueis will matter that much. she's more concerned about vader, says this is a trap, wants to prevent vader from 'profitting by our actions'

i tried arguing but she isn't listening to me

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And now you begin to see.
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...yeah. they didn't freak out too much about fidela but i guess vader's different

but i don't know what we can do against plagueis without help

and if getting them to at least START looking in the right place means i get grounded and get black marks on my record, so be it

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Yeah. Hope something comes of it.
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i'll follow up. and now you can say i told you about all this if you want to talk to master organa? 

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Right. I can do that.
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may the force be with you

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Despite Meinwen's trouble, Elesse still has freedom of movement, which means she has an appointment with a certain Lily to keep.

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Lily's waiting for her at their agreed meeting place, in one of the mid-low levels where they're very unlikely to be bothered by law enforcement, with significant vertical texture and gaps between buildings manageable even by (sufficiently skilled) individuals without the Force, plus some more daring routes involving utility lines or just extra wide gaps. There's enough graffiti in ambitious places to suggest they're not the only ones who've noticed this area is good for parkour (Lily may or may not have a few canisters of spray paint in her bag). Lily's dressed down, more simply than Elesse's ever seen her - thick leggings in a dark gold with purple stripes up the side paired with a purple sports bra with gold river patterns on it. The fabric looks a bit worn, knees starting to discolor and consider fraying, a waviness in the bra's lower band suggesting it's losing its elascity, hints of splotchy stains that never quite washed out in both. Her purple running shoes have some uneven coloration on the mesh, but look a bit newer. No jewelry, also, which is a first (in her civilian identity). 

She spots Elesse right away and waves.

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"Hello there."

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"Hey there yourself."

"Have you thought more about the route you want?"

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"I'm playing it by ear. Perhaps you can recommend an easy warm-up for the casual hobbyist?"

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She nods. "I've done some scouting - we could set out together, find a good route, then race back?" 

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"Works well enough for me. Shall I try to guess which tags are yours on the way?"

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"Sure, though I wasn't exactly going for 'subtle;' I used pretty much the same tag throughout." (If Elesse looks, there's actually a suspiciously fresh tag visible from their meeting place, on the underside of a wide and deep balcony with no clear place for an aspiring artist to stand or even anchor a climbing rope to dangle from. It's a white and gold lily over an Aurebesh 'forn,' in an elaborate calligraphic style Lily's shown her before. Only a few other tags are present there, most of them pretty clearly old.)

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"Makes it a bit less fun."

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"I'll be more creative in my puzzle design next time."

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"Appreciated." Elesse starts stretching.

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She does a few stretches as well, though not quite as extensive. "Stick to just physical skills first run?" she asks, off-handed. "No equipment or anything." Like the Force, for instance - though they're (just barely) close enough to the Temple they likely could get pretty blatant without drawing that much notice. 

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"I'll do my best to keep up." Elesse is in fact a Jedi, she doesn't super need to worry about being subtle about using the Force.

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She could pretty easily pretend to be a Jedi as well, so long as they don't run into anyone who'd expect to recognize every padawan. Still - "Would you rather level the playing field?"

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"Not until I know whether I'll need the handicap."

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"Then let's get started."

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Away they go!

Elesse does decently for an amateur, making up for a lack of more technical skill with generalized athleticism and Force-guided instinct.

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Lily provides guidance as they go, too, including why she's choosing this particular path - there's a point that involves clambering down a complicated, deeply engraved facade, where she says, "It's easier to climb up at speed than down, which is good for a race," plenty of times she points out good paths or more often bad ways to get from point A to point B - 

And then they get to where she thinks will be a good starting point (a landing pad for speeders), a level below where they met but mostly the distance is horizontal since that's apparently easier, and she says, "Let's rest a bit - and there's somewhere I wanna show you, but it's not a great place to race from."

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"A scenic overlook?"

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"There's some even down here." She points out where they can get even further down - it requires inching a little bit along a narrow ledge until they reach a combination of a metal grill and a sturdy set of pipes at the end of the closed alley that they can use to climb down. Fortunately they don't need to go far before they're moving to the side onto an empty balcony, the windows and door leading into it boarded up with sheet metal. There's an open corridor cutting into the building at an angle, totally dark. Through it there's another deep balcony, another set of boarded up doors...

And a dizzying plunge of the city into the depths, a yawning chasm lit by a rainbow of neon lights, their diffuse glow catching on wisps of smoke. There's a roof over them, some building or another bridging the gap and strangling all hints of sunlight. A waterfall glints across the way, its murky waters picking up glimmers of light on its way further into the depths.

There's people down here, amazingly enough - mostly foot traffic on a spider's web of walkways, supplemented by a few speeders zipping through the obstructions.

 It's an eerie vista, at once zagged and soft, wholly unreal. 

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"You don't often think of the underlevels like- this."

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Small grin. "Pretty much what I thought." She takes her backpack off, setting it by the corner, and sits down at the edge. "I didn't know this was here either, not until I was scouting this week - my teacher suggested I come here." More quietly: "I think she was trying to make a point to me."

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"A reminder to look beyond the surface?"

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"...No. Or - not really. I..."

"Dunno. I've always thought that, just, people are miserable, right? The galaxy sucks. People die pointless deaths of hunger, of disease, of crime, of wars, all things the Republic keeps pretending don't happen while the rich busy themselves with just... Stupid shit. And even the rich are miserable. And no one knows how to fix it, no one's coordinating, no one knows their place, so we need someone strong, someone who can take charge and coordinate, tell everyone what to do and how to fix things."

"She - you know her. She just wants freedom for everyone. And she told me to come here, and then she told me to go talk to people, pretend I was doing a school report or something stupid like that. And people don't like being hungry, they don't like being sick, they don't like crime, but they don't want to move. They don't want some idiot surfacer coming in and telling them how it's done - turns out it's actually really easy to get people to talk to you about their lives and what they want. And they don't want to be coerced, especially if some dickhead is saying it's secretly good for them."

"...My previous teacher said... Things I didn't like him doing to me were for my benefit. It was... Weird, to think I'm both unusual - I don't feel like I know my place - and... Normal, or at least fucked up in a normal way."

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"What do you mean by your place?"

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Awkward shrug. And, as she looks out over the vista before them - away from Elesse - she says: "I don't really know, which is kinda the problem. Just... What I'm supposed to do. My fate, why I'm even alive, the right place in the galaxy for me - where I fit.

"I never... Fit, not where I was born. There was always something wrong with me. I felt like... There had to be something else, you know? A place, a way I could be right."

She pauses for a moment, then, abruptly: "I tried to join the Jedi, once I realized it was an option - I didn't really know I could use the Force, not yet, but I knew they were the only ones who could take me away, and something felt... Like I should try. The person I talked to said I was too old. My oldest brother said if he dropped me off on the Temple's front step and I lied about knowing my family they'd have to do something with me, and I was a skinny kid who starved herself for some semblance of control so I looked half my age and I could've lied about that, too - my brother was just trying to get rid of me so I couldn't challenge his inheritance, he would've as soon dropped me off this balcony, but back then I was young and stupid and believed he was trying to help me escape - but my father caught us."

"Then Damask found me and said he could show me where I belong. He was also fucking lying."

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"I'm sorry you experienced that."

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"...It sucked, yeah. But it's the past. My family's dead, I'm away from Damask - and I've got my teacher, now. She says she can't tell me where I belong, but... She's helping me figure things out."

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"For... whatever it's worth, I think that everyone- everyone who thinks about it- has to find their own meaning of life. Their own purpose. I don't think anyone is born already knowing where they fit."

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"You were raised as a Jedi, though - how is concluding you're already in the right place any different from knowing it your whole life?"

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"I haven't, uh, finished deciding the Jedi is the right place for me. Not everyone gets Knighted."

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Slow nod. (So much for Vader's insistence that Elesse won't fall and Fidela has nothing to be jealous about... Palpatine isn't going to push, though - she likes Elesse, but she still doesn't know if she wants to share.)

"It's good they let people leave."

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"If you can't leave, it's not a choice to stay. And then it's just a prison."

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"Even if I had the choice... I don't know I'd be willing to leave, not unless I knew I had somewhere else to go." She'd needed persuasion to leave Plagueis; she never tried that hard to run away from her family. 

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"There's, um, soft landing options. The Agricorps or the Exploricorps."

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Shrug. "Still part of the Jedi." She huffs. " - I'm done talking about this." ('What might have been' is never a comfortable subject for her, after all.)

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"Back to the race, then?"

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"Sure, but first..." She leans back to grab her bag, then pulls a can of spray paint out. (She hasn't tagged this balcony yet; there's not much existing graffiti, actually, just discolored grey walls.)

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"No, stop," Elesse drones, making no move at all to interfere with Lily. "Graffiti is against the laws of the Republic which I am sworn to uphold."

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Lily giggles as she rolls to her feet. "Those laws don't mean much down here," she teases. "So why don't we brighten the place up a little?" She holds the green-labeled can out to Elesse. 

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"I shouldn't..."

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"A bit of art won't hurt anyone; we can do a proper mural, if you don't want to tag."

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"Seeing as I don't, at present, have a tag, that may be required."

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"A good one requires some thought," she says agreeably, "And a mural's easier to work together on."

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"Any thoughts on the subject?" Elesse holds out her hand for the paint can.

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She gives it over with a hum, then starts taking more cans out and setting them at the base of the wall. She's got a small rainbow of colors, mostly small cans so they'd all fit, plus a roll of masking tape. "Something floral's my default. But it might be fun to start at opposite sides, do whatever we feel like, and try and make them blend in the middle..."

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"Sure. I'll take this side?"

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"Works for me." She picks up a can of white spray paint for a base layer on her side, then starts in on an actual design - blocky colorful shapes hinting at abstract flowers, with black stems and triangular protrusions that could easily be either leaves or thorns. She's fast at this, even when she's taking the time to lay masking tape for sharper edges.

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Elesse doesn't have much practice with spray paint, so opts for something simpler to freehand. A black background, peppered with little white stars, then big swirling circles mixing blue and green and orange and gray to represent planets.

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She softens the borders of her 'flowers' towards the midline, moving from blocks to circles - perhaps at the transition point, a white background with an increasingly dense (and deftly free-handed) tangle of black vines, Elesse's planets replacing her flowers?

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That works!

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Allows for a nice sense of movement, too, like they're seed-puffs floating away in the wind...

"You've got a good eye for color," she comments as they're finishing up, "And a steady hand."

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"Thank you. I work in oils, usually, when I do color."

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Interested noise! "I'd love to see your paintings sometime."

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"I can get some holos? They're mostly all in the Temple."

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"It'd be a bit of a challenge to see them in person, then." Lightly teasing grin. "Holos work, though."

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"I suppose I could also start work on something pocket-sized."

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"I'd like that."

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"I bet."

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Bright grin, as she starts packing up her painting supplies (and records a holo of their work).

"Feel up to that race, now?"

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"I believe I do."

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She slings her bag onto her back and leads the way back to their starting pad. 

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Elesse joins her.

"Shall we count down?"

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"Sure." She stretches a little then gets into a ready position. "Count down from five, then go?"

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Nod, as Elesse mirrors her.

"Five, four..."

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"Three, two, one..."

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And off they go! Elesse puts a little Force-powered spring in her first step.

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She valiantly resists the urge to do the same, instead leaning on her greater experience and the sheer athleticism Vader has been drilling her in. (She was borderline sedentary before; now, she's fully capable of running across Coruscant's buildings at speed without flagging.)

Still, Elesse's been physically active longer than she has, and Lily's shorter which reduces her stride - it'll be much closer than the experience gap would suggest. 

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Good, that means Elesse will win-

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-no, actually, she should resist that urge and let this be a more fair contest. No matter how much fun leaping implausibly tall walls is.

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Lily catches, of course, her initial Force-assisted step - the flux in her signature as she almost pushes ahead - more she catches Elesse's determination, her desires flowing through the Force -

Oh no, she's hot.

Lily wins, though, by a decent margin - not enough that a single mistake wouldn't have damned her, but enough Elesse likely couldn't have won without cheating. She's trained enough for a flawless run, though, and she pulls it off. 

She's beaming as they finish - "Good race!" Her cheeks are flushed, her back sweaty, and she's glad she put her hair up before this. 

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"Good race," Elesse says. Her breathing is a little more controlled, but not much.

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She grabs two sports drinks out of her bag, offering one to Elesse.

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"Thanks. Seems like your practice paid off."

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She'd be preening if she wasn't so out of breath. Still: "I've been working hard."

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"So that picture'll be a celebration of victory, rather than consolation on defeat."

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"A prize either way."

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"I can only hope to live up to your standards."

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"I don't think that'll be a problem for you."

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"Your confidence is flattering."

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"You've given me no reason to doubt, so far."

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"Gosh, thanks."

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"Just the truth." She finishes her sports drink, then idky checks the time; it's getting late. "So - when do you wanna meet up next?"

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"Next week?"

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"Alright." She'd like to meet sooner, but it's probably better not to push... And she could use the time for a few projects.

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"I might need to keep an eye on some stuff at the Temple. We can use the interval to decide what to do."

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She nods. "If you're free to meet at the library in the meantime, let me know, alright?"

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"You will be the first I contact."

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She shoulders her backpack. "See you then." And unless Elesse has anything else for her, she heads off.

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Nope, it's back to the Temple with her. Hopefully nothing has caught on fire, yes?

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Not much is different from how she left it - the only new thing (relevant to her) is a message from Meinwen asking for another spar sometime soon. 

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Great. She'll set up something with Meinwen (can't leave her friend hanging) after checking in with Master Breha (still not leaving the planet soon). And she's all caught up on her reading, but the class is meeting again tomorrow so she'll review before then, update the tracking sheets for her official independent studies, spend some time in meditation... The life of a Jedi padawan is not one of infinite leisure, if you care to take advantage of the Temple's resources. Which Elesse does, while she's here.


And in between all this regularly-scheduled activity, she has a painting to paint. Something pocket-sized. Which is an interesting departure from her usual, more traditionally-sized landscapes and object studies. Maybe she'll do a portrait not a good idea, too hard to explain the who and the why. Well. The who, anyway, surely she can say at least that it's a gift for a friend if (when) Master Breha asks. But what should the subject be, then?

Hm. She'll take some time to think on it.

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Vader seems interested in the process, at least, showing up at one point (outside of their usual scheduled history sessions, while Elesse's studying) to look at Elesse's blank canvas and assorted discarded sketches. 

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(She keeps circling the idea of portraiture, but not committing. Doesn't quite feel right.)

"I don't suppose you have any insight into the arts?"

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"I do, actually - I always favored either acryllic or ink and watercolors, but many of the same principles apply to oils."

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"I don't think I'm facing a technical problem, exactly..."

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She nods. "Artist's block is a universal problem. Do you want ideas?"

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"I wouldn't say no. Though I can't promise to use any of them."

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"That's alright - sometimes deciding what you don't want to do is the best way to move forward."

"For specifics... Lily does like flowers, and they're fairly traditional decor on Naboo - it'd be a little impersonal, but she could put such a painting in her office as a conversation piece - still, I'd suggest avoiding a direct copy of the traditionally abstract Naboo styles."

"Masks are another traditional theme, though it'd be a bit more personal - and could cross the line into portraiture, since the traditional garb of noblewomen especially in politics involves wearing a mask. Direct images of people would, on the other hand, be something she's unlikely to display; they're a little more intimate in Naboo's culture, and while she spurns most cultural trappings I don't think she's as immune to those associations as she thinks."

"For overall aesthetic, oils are good at play of light, and I think she'd enjoy something with notable chiaroscuro - a study on light shining through gemstones would work well at this size, showcase your talent, and relate to what you've been talking about. Including other objects like a mask or flowers could work well, but at this size might make the scene crowded."

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...Headtilt. "Hm."

Oh.

Sketchbook sketchbook where is her sketchbook she needs to get this out of her head and on the page before it goes away...

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Vader watches her fondly, avoiding interrupting.

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Scribble scribble scribble, she can go like this, then that piece will be so, and maybe even here- no, there is probably better, well, work it out when she gets to the canvas but for now...


"...You'll keep this to yourself, right? No spoilers."

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"I promise."

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"Thanks."

Hmm hmm hmm, okay done for now. She'll let this sit a while to make sure nothing else comes to mind, but she thinks she'll be ready to start on the canvas tonight.

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Does she mind if Vader comes to watch?

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Not at all.

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"Thank you." 

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Then it's back to work for Elesse, until the evening.

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Vader appears only a little early. (She's interested in chatting about art, too, while Elesse waits for layers to dry, or when she isn't particularly absorbed.)

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Elesse tends to get a bit focused working, so she's less chatty than usual.

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She enjoys watching when Elesse focuses; she was serious when she claimed that merely existing alongside Elesse is enough for her. 

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(That's actually deeply flattering. She's in a good mood as she works.)

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(Vader, meanwhile, relaxes into a deep satisfaction as the night wears on, as she rarely does when she's teaching - an almost meditative state of mind overtaking her.)

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A good evening.

 

And over the next few days, Elesse and Lily will have to plan the next outing.

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She wouldn't object to another race - but spending the evening at her apartment could work, too. Better, perhaps - she has a few books she'd like to share, and it'd be a calmer setting...

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Can't be all high-adrenaline excitement all the time.

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True.

She sends Elesse her address, with a note that her schedule's fairly flexible; only a few times are blocked off.

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Not too hard to set a time that works for both, then.

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See you then.

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See you.


And in due course, Elesse ventures once more unto the city, a small wrapped parcel tucked into her bag.
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Lily's in the senatorial district, in a nice building even for there - Elesse gets buzzed through the front desk without issue, then up a long elevator to Lily's apartment. 

When she gets there - 

It's a very nice space, a solid wall of windows going out to a balcony overlooking the small courtyard garden. There's plants on the walls, an artificial waterfall catching the afternoon sunlight pleasantly, floors tiled in one of Naboo's more fluidly abstract styles (greens and blues with yellow lilies, of course). The walls are covered in heavy cloth wallpaper, there's wooden and paper screens separating places, low richly decorated furniture...

Lily meets her at the door, of course. She's dressed down, a simple tank top and yoga pants, though she has a few sparkly bracelets at her wrists and elaborate jewels in her braided hair. 

"Come in," she says with a smile. 

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"Thanks," Elesse says. "Quite an elaborate setup you have."

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Light shrug. "It's what's expected for my station."

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"The wealthy heiresses station?"

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"Wealthy heiress dabbling in politics."

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"Hence the senatorial location?"

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"Just so; my mentor, Vidar Kim, is Naboo's Senator. They're in recess right now, so I'm keeping myself busy with networking."

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"Good to know a lowly padawan still rates highly enough to fit into your rarefied schedule."

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"I'd rather meet with you than any of them."

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"I shall set to the side some of the opinions of politicians I've heard, and take that as a compliment."

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"It is - I'm meeting with them for advantage, not pleasure. But even when it means setting my ambitions back, I still prefer talking to you."

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"Now that is a weighty compliment." Elesse sets her bag down and slips off her shoes.

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Slight nod, and she moves towards the usual hostess's pleasantries - getting Elesse something to drink and a light snack (she's acquired some high quality tea blends she's noticed Elesse favoring, including Alderaanian cloudberry; the tea cakes are a flavor Vader suggested), showing her the sitting area, a few light comments about the art pieces she's already collected... Despite the vague air of formality, she seems relaxed. 

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That's what scripts are for. Elesse gets it.

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Just so.

Once they're settled, Lily pulls out a small, dark wooden box. "I have something for you as well."

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"Oh? This is a surprise."

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She puts it on the little table between them. "Figured an exchange of gifts would be appropriate."

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"Fair enough, I suppose." Elesse will in turn withdraw the wrapped painting and set it next to the box on the table.

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Does she want to open them now, or wait until the end of their meeting - ?

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They can do now. Might be something to talk about.

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She takes Elesse's painting, then, and carefully opens the wrapping paper.

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The painting is in a style of heightened realism, of two hands clasping. Each wears a different assortment of rings and bracelets, and an indistint lightsource in the center top above the hands casts multicolor shadows across the rest as it refracts through the various gemstones . The brushwork is detailed and precise, giving quite a lot of detail for how small the picture is.

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"Oh, this is beautiful."

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"I had some inspiration."

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"And it's a good match for my gift for you."

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"Is that a subtle hint for me to hurry up and open it?" she asks, reaching for the box.

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"Might be."

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Then she will go ahead and crack it open.

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There's a green silk cushion inside, supporting a bracelet - the chain is a dark hard metal, with five large and six small charms dangling off it. Each is set into that same metal. The central and largest of the five main charms has a golden tourmaline gem carved in a 'lily cut' - one of Naboo's early elaborations on traditional Coruscanti gem carving, a trilliant gem with furrows carved from each of the three points to the center. The other four large charms are also in that early traditional style, all golden tourmalines with cuts named for flowers - a high-fire millennium rose, a smoothly curving tulip, a circular daisy with radially oriented cuts, and a five-lobed faceted blossom cut... Between them and on either side of the row of flowers are six small identical deep green tsavorite garnets, each in a leaf cut - a pear cut with steps rather than facets, rising to a central furrow.

(Lily is, of course, excitedly narrating exactly which gem is what.)

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"Goodness." She picks it up to examine it more closely. "This is very fine work."

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Preen! "I've been learning the craft lately."

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"It's very impressive."

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Very smug Lily. 

"My teacher said it'd be good for learning fine control."

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"I think she was right." Elesse holds one of the gems up to examine more closely.

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The golden lily shines and flashes, casting little flecks of refracted light out. It's a beautiful gem, with the irregular imperfections that reveal a natural source (imperfect gems are favored on Naboo for the two simple reasons that perfect gems are nearly trivial to make industrially, and that Naboo places a particularly high value on artistically arranged nature) - the transparent heart of this one is darker, almost reddish-gold, with a wispy transition to a milky yellow at the points; a handful of fortuitously placed needle-like bubbles at the center form a shape much like the filaments at the core of a flower, which catches the light as she turns it here and there.

Each cut is precise and smooth, no sign of tool marks, nor any heating nor friction from industrial cutting processes. It feels like Lily in a vague way, if Elesse focuses enough, but (probably) fortunately it doesn't feel especially dark. 

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"It does feel like you."

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"And your painting feels like you." She'd taken a small break from admiring it to watch Elesse, but she's still holding it. "Honestly... I never used to do art of any kind, and it'd never really occured to me that I could just make things." (Especially not with the Force; Fidela had initially thought Vader was fucking with her when she suggested gemcutting as a mixed hobby and control exercise.) "It's fun."

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"I am happy to have facilitated the expansion of your horizons."

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"In several ways."

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"Well. Thank you." Elesse slips the bracelet on her wrist.

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Smug Lily is smug.

Still – "How long have you been painting for?"

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"Depends how you count. As a serious thing with a focus on technical improvement? Four-ish years, I think. But I've always like visual art best."

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She nods. "Painting's a hard skill to master, I've heard."

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"I won't say it isn't, since I'm still working at it."

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"Your best is yet to come?"

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"Is that not the point of youth?"

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She nods. "I can't wait to see the heights you reach."

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"Thanks." Smirk.

"What about you? Planning to continue your artistic endeavors?"

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"Yeah. My teacher was right about it. Though I don't know if I'll branch out much... She says I should, but, one thing at a time, you know?"

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Elesse nods. "I wouldn't say that's wrong, at least until you get comfortable. But a lot of skills are transferable, and I find experimenting can help with inspiration."

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"Point."

"There's a gemstone sculpture tradition, and I could move to other materials... Still the same track, though."

"Could also start with sketching designs – especially if you don't mind helping me learn."

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"Sure. Sketches are fun."

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"We'll see if spraypainting principles transfer over."

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"Do you have flimsi? We could start now."

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She does, actually. She goes to get it, plus some pens and pencils. 

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Time for sketches. Elesse is of the opinion that the best place to start is studies of simple objects, focused on getting the form right. Closer to a technical drawing than anything else, really (though outside of the most exceptionally eccentric and artisanal firms, all real technical drawings are computer-generated (kind of the same thing as CNC gemcutting versus traditional practices (though in the jewelry world old practices held on longer because of their status as luxury goods (paying for a sapient's actual time is part of the prestige))), but she thinks the practice of replicating the style by hand is important for understanding how the lines and curves in the eye relate to the strokes on the page that combine to give the picture its illusion of realism (and breaking the rules to develop one's particular style is more effective when you know what the rules are and why they exist).).

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Not much like spraypainting actually then, which sort of works from the other direction – focus on getting the abstract blobs of color right before trying for form.

She can see the similarities to gemcutting, though, and... Technical drawing would actually be helpful for designs. She likes this better than trying to use a computer, honestly; something about the pencil and the flimsy helps pull the shapes from her brain better.

She also has a lot of assorted objects around that they can practice sketching. Her gemcutting tools and castoffs, sculptures, her mask, a wide variety of artistic pottery... Plus all the general implements of daily life. (Drawing furniture: surprisingly fun. She's never actually really looked at the things in her apartment like this before.)

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Seems she's having a good time with it.

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It's going to take some work until she actually gets the skill down – she has exceptionally good handwriting, so she's having no trouble with controlling the pencil and getting even lines, but her proportions are... Off. And there's something awkward and flat about her sketches.

This is... Well. Fun. She's trying not to get frustrated at not being perfect, of course – but talking with Elesse helps with that, a lot. (She talks some about the things she's drawing, most of it with an air of something scripted; her collection of pottery is more diverse than most Naboo go for, an eclectic mixture of cultural styles across time and space – richly painted porcelains, complicatedly geometric carnival glass, rustic stoneware, chaotically glazed hand-thrown cups, pots made of coils of clay... Her favorite's a blue and brown teapot shaped like an equinod guarlara with her foal from Naboo, though drawing it turns out surprisingly hard. (She also has a subtly diverse collection of furniture – while it all blends with the Naboo style, much of it isn't actually from Naboo; one of the more prominent dividing screens for instance is silk stretched in a black lacquer frame, rather than Naboo's traditional woven dyed reeds or carved stained wood. It has a scene of a misty bridge painted on it in an ethereal style – a piece from Chandrila – though Lily's attempt to draw both the frame and the scene on it turns out rather poorly.) (She keeps Elesse well supplied with little snacks and tea throughout this, too – after a third frustrating attempt to draw the guarlara teapot, she gives up and instead makes an earthy blend of green tea with brown rice to pour from it, making for a rich gold tea with a nutty flavor. She serves some rice crackers on a brown plate with abstractly sketched Chandrillan ghorlas to go with it.))

"...Maybe I should take up ceramics someday," she muses after settling back with a cup of the rice tea. Unsweetened, of course, she isn't a heathen. "Though I'm not sure I have the room for any kind of studio here..."

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"You could use one of those shared public art spaces." Sip. "Or buy a second apartment."

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"A second apartment just for a studio might be a little excessive..."

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"Since when does that matter?"

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"Didn't realize a Jedi would be such a bad influence on my spending habits," she teases. "Maybe I should look for something closer to the Temple – ?"

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"As in, the other side of the Senate district? Because your other choice is the Works."

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"Do you think I should look elsewhere, then?"

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"I don't know, what do you want out of a second place? I hear the rent's pretty cheap."

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"Cost isn't really an issue. After all, even if the cost is something ridiculous, I can always make up the difference by renting out the Western Sea property." 

"And you probably know more than me what's needed for an art studio – beyond that I really only need it to have a kitchenette and space for a couch." Teasing smile. "Maybe I should just ask you to pick one out."

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"It would look pretty weird for a padawan to be browsing real estate listings."

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"You can use my HoloNet connection, you know, whenever you want to look up anything it'd look pretty weird for a padawan to browse through."

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"So you're inviting me over again."

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"Of course."

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"Thanks for the consideration. Though I would feel a little weird coming over just to do that. Seems like you would want to make the apartment hunt a collaborative activity at that point."

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"It could be – I wouldn't mind if you use the studio too, for your own projects."

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"The Temple has spaces I can use."

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"Alright."

"I still would like help picking something out – but there's also no rush, and we can fit it around other meet-ups. It's going to be a while before I move past gemcutting after all, and I've already got space for that."

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"All right. For whatever my help is worth."

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Anyways...

She's got some questions about the kinds of subjects Elesse usually paints – plus if she does all her work in the Temple, or if she ever travels to paint a certain vista... Which if Elesse is interested can segue pretty easily into getting Lily to talk about places she's been.

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She is curious to know where a person of her... status... 's travels may have led.

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"When I was a kid most of it was, well. To stupid rich people places. Still, some of those had good views, and getting somewhere quiet usually only involved a bit of hopping fences... And I liked watching podraces." Shrug. "Once I got to secondary school – I was ten, so a bit early – I traveled more broadly, mostly as part of my school's exchange programs. I like Chandrilla a lot." 

"I travel more nowadays, sometimes pretty remote places, especially if there's anything interesting archeologically..." She'll describe some of the ruins – in various states of excavation and preservation – that she's been to, though most of them she was only there for a week mostly doing classwork. "I actually switched my major to one of the dual history/ archeology ones, though other than online classes and on-and-off fieldwork I'm taking a gap year right now – oh, and I've got an internship at the Galactic Museum's local branch starting next week; I'm hoping to eventually work that towards joining one of their teams."

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"Oh wow, congratulations. Which wing are you going to be working with?"

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Smug! (It was an extremely competitive process.)

"First week's orientation, next couple are floating between the less shiny positions, like reception and catalogs – you need the initial general internship to even apply to one of the wings."

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"But which one do you want to work for?"

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"One of the history halls, definitely." Teasing grin. "The Sith Hall's been doing some interesting archeological work lately."

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Elesse makes a face. "Doesn't have the best reputation in terms of serious scholarship, though."

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"Means there's room for me to improve things." Also it's an excellent cover, plus she wants access to their archives.

"Still... Do you think I should look into one of the others?"

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"Well... Kinda depends on what you want from it. Far Rim would have, uh, deniable overlap in some areas. Still underfunded compared to Core Worlds," but what isn't, "but isn't primarily catering to the edgy preteen demographic."

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Hum. "And if there's any team or site overlap, I could still get access to experts and more importantly their archives... Though the staff's bigger; harder for me to influence things."

"And, also, I am a teenager. An iffy internship choice won't impact me much in terms of job prospects - unless I fully go into politics, I guess, since elected office campaigns get nasty about backgrounds, but my teacher thinks trying for an elected position would be a really bad idea. For some reason."

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"I sure she has good ones."

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"She has so far." Shrug. "I trust her, so I'm not too worried about it."

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"Fair enough. Would probably cut down on your free time too much to maintain multiple art hobbies, anyway."

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"Naboo does have a tradition of handmaidens, who can legally act as the public persona of a noble woman – but recruitment is its own entire process, and it'd still be difficult to keep up with both school and art." She also... Doesn't like politicians. She wants to change things, but she's always hated politics. 

And even as she wants to change things... Vader's pushed for focusing on herself, at least for now. She can see the wisdom of it. 

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"Nothing wrong with keeping your focus tight."

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"For now, at least."

Speaking of museums... She's curious about the local ones, any Elesse particularly likes or would recommend – Lily hasn't had that much opportunity to just explore...

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Elesse has as many a several recommendations to offer, in varying degrees of specificity and fields of interest. There are some perks to living in the galactic capitol.

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Maybe Elesse can show her around sometime.

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Sure, she could.

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She's looking forward to it. (Discussing museums could honestly easily take up the rest of their visit.)

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Elesse is fine with it.

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She is, too. 

"See you soon?" she asks, once it's time for Elesse to head out.

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"As our schedules allow. But this was fun, and I wouldn't mind doing it again."

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"Same. I'll message you with my schedule for next week, how about?"