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recursive Sith apprenticeships, anyone? (or, timetravel ghost Vader acquires a teenage Palpatine)
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It's been several weeks since Palpatine last managed contact with Magister Hego Damask. It gnaws at her – he's been playing hard to get ever since he started encouraging her to have political ambitions beyond interfering with her father's campaign, and he's the only one who truly sees her. She suspects (knows) her father is intercepting her communications like she's some errant child – she's gotten more than a few stern lectures about Damask being untrustworthy, but her father is a jealous possessive asshole who refuses to give her the slightest independence, who seems determined to  treat her as a toddler until the day she turns twenty-one and can finally be emancipated fully.

(She doesn't spend even a moment considering whether Magister Damask has lost interest in her, no matter what her father says. He hasn't, he can't, and he won't. He'll surely be seeking her out sooner or later.)

When her university announces a month-long exchange program with its partner university in Hana City on Chandrila, an opportunity for mock trials and brushing elbows with the planet's political elite, she snatches a place on the roster as soon as she can. It'll be a chance to get out from under her father's heavy hand; even if she can't get in touch with Damask (she knows her communications will be spied on, even if they're no longer controlled), it'll be a loosening of the noose.

 

Magister Damask isn't waiting for her there, though. She hadn't expected him to. Instead, she puts her effort into making friends in Chandrila – especially people who might shelter her from her father if needed – and she spends her little free time wandering, doing her best to blend in, to breathe air free of Naboo and its chains. Gladean Park, an enormous wildlife reserve, draws her attention most, and she flits between that and the city near it, cutting through alleys and across rugged paths, wandering in a chaotic zig-zag until the weight of eyes upon her back llightens.

 

And it's one of those early days – one of those moments of fresh air before her father's security team wisen up – it's a cool and damp early morning, fog clinging to the river that cuts between Hanna and Gladean, lapping at the supports of the bridge Palpatine is walking over –

It's then that she sees the woman. 

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The woman shouldn't be very strange. She's human, and the cut of her clothing is odd – but there's a dizzying variety of fashion in the galaxy, so that doesn't mean anything at all except that she's possibly not from Chandrila. She's leaning against the railing when Palpatine sees her, looking out at the mists over the river, arms folded along the handrail. She isn't looking at Palpatine at first, but glances up as she approaches, and…

Her eyes are older than her face, and her gaze is heavy and intense.

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Palpatine feels suddenly like she's being stripped, her beating heart laid bare.

She freezes. What else could she do? The feeling of that woman's gaze is overwhelming. The hairs on the back of her neck rise, and a shiver races down her spine. She knows suddenly – and can't say how – that this woman is important. 

More important than Magister Hego Damask. He'd been the strongest clarion call Palpatine had ever felt – this woman makes that feel like a whisper. 

 

"Who are you?" she asks, words vanishing into the mists. Her ears ring, unable to believe that the world is silent when it should be reverberating. 

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The woman straightens and turns to face her more, and says: "My name is Vader."

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And then, as Palpatine blinks, she's gone.

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The reverberation in the world cuts out. It's massively disorienting, and Palpatine reels before regaining her balance in the world. She hurries over to where the woman stood – sees no puddling of water, no footprints, no dry patches, no indication anyone ever stood here –

Palpatine didn't hear her leave, and she shouldn't have been able to move that fast, not in the tiny moment Palpatine's eyes were closed. Not even Jedi are supposed to move that fast. 

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She takes a deep, shaking breath, and she stares out at the same misty river that had caught the woman's attention. 

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Over the next few days, the mystery does nothing less than consume her. She fits researching local legends, local people into every spare moment not taken by her other obligations. She returns to the bridge again and again – chafes as she realizes her father's spies have adjusted to that routine.

She doesn't know why this fever has overtaken her. She just knows that she needs to see that woman again. 

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She doesn't need to wait long, at least. Only a week after Palpatine arrived on Chandrila, on another path through the city, in a deserted square after dark...

The woman's sitting on the edge of a fountain, and she looks to Palpatine as soon as the teenager enters the square. "Good evening," she says, voice soft. She no longer looks at all ordinary, a soft blue glow suffusing her form. Palpatine can see the faint waver of the fountain's water through her.

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Good evening. Such inconsequential words, from a woman who's threatened to turn Palpatine's life upside down. 

"Where did you go?" she demands, rather than responding politely. "How did you disappear like that? How do you look like – like this?" Normally she wouldn't slip like this, would retain control of herself – but she's shaken, and she wants to know

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The woman smiles a little. "I apologize. Sometimes my ability to influence the world of the living is… Unreliable."

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Palpatine's breath rushes out of her chest. "You're saying you're a ghost?" she asks, trying for skeptical, but... Somehow, she believes the woman. 

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"Yes; I've been one for a long time, now."

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Palpatine steps forward, almost involuntarily. "I've heard legends about that – ancient Sith Lords who overthrew death." She'd have dismissed it as mere campfire tales, if not for the scant traces of historical archives she's found.

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"...They didn't. They just trapped themselves within it."

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"Wouldn't eternal existence even as a ghost be better than oblivion, though?"

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"There are worse things than death; worse things than forgetting," she says quietly. "Many of those ancient Sith Lords preserved only shattered remnants of themselves. Cursed angry things, unable to grow or learn, and their influence on the world is reduced to yet another scary tomb."

"I've kept my selfhood, but my freedom is still limited, just... Differently so. And my influence is even less than that of a cursed tomb – I've been reduced to no more than a whisper in the minds of the few who can hear me."

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Palpatine nods slowly. "You're more than a whisper to me, though," she says. "And even if all you can do is observe... You must know a lot."

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That gets Palpatine a pleased smile. "You're the first to see me so clearly, yes," she says, then she quietly pats the ledge beside her. "Come sit, and I'll tell you some stories."

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Palpatine sits, of course, as something warm sparks in her chest. But: "My father's security will catch up sooner or later, and they'll want me back at my dorm."

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"They won't find us. The Force shelters us tonight."

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"Are you a Sith Lord?"

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Vader sobers. "Yes."

"I'm not quite so ancient as your ghost stories, and it could be said I've grown beyond the Sith – but my proper title in life and death is Darth Vader." It has a heavy resonance to it, a weight that settles between them.

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Palpatine should flee – should at least be scared – 

She leans in, instead, noticing in a quick moment that the woman's taller than her – Palpatine still hasn't hit her teenage growth spurt in full. "Tell me more," she insists, nearly breathless. Her history books are censored, she knows they are, and the few Jedi she's crossed paths with won't answer questions –

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Vader smiles down at her, then begins to talk, and if Palpatine doesn't stop her she'll talk through the night, on history of both the Jedi and Sith, on philosophy, even on the Force and what separates the light from the dark, the Sith from the mere darksider...

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Palpatine does nothing to discourage her, asking as many questions as Vader will entertain, slowly leaning ever closer over the course of the night.

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And then Vader vanishes with the the dawn.

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Palpatine blows off her commitments the next day, sleeping through noon possibly for the first time in her life. As the dark begins gathering, she slips into the streets of Hanna, away from her father's spies, to the nearest uncrowded part of the city.

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She finds the woman in a tiny urban garden, this time. Vader smiles at her and picks up where she left off the night before.

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Palpatine goes on like that in a haze. Vader pushes her to keep attending her classes and mock trials, and Palpatine grudgingly does so, catches sleep in tiny snatches between the dawn and her first lecture, when it isn't her turn to speak in the trials – she doesn't dare sleep as evening approaches, though. Doesn't dare miss her appointment.

(Gratifyingly, Vader is always waiting for her.)

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Then, Magister Hego Damask comes looking for her three weeks into her stay on Chandrila. (Two weeks into her string of meetings with the ghostly woman. She doesn't tell him about Vader; the woman is her secret.)

Still, she's craved seeing him, for all her obsession has gotten pushed to the side over the last two and a half weeks, and speaking to him both settles and uproots something within her. Her seething anger against her father – which had receded to a frustration with distance and other concerns – flares after her conversation with Magister Damask, as he points out every little injustice her father has inflicted on her – nevermind that as a man of Naboo he shouldn't even be in politics, he should support her efforts in the Youth Legislature, should cede control of the dying house of Palpatine to his oldest daughter as is traditional, yet he favors her older brothers...

 

Still, he leaves eventually, and she sees Vader again that night, and it's easy enough to let her anger with her father subside again into her newfound obsession...

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Then, a week and a half later, as her residency on Chandrila comes to a close (she's told Vader where to find her on Naboo, and the ghost has promised to come, but Palpatine's anxious on if she'll be able to, if she'll be inclined to, and she's distracted) – instead of her university's chartered ship, she finds herself shepherded by her father's security onto their private craft. It's annoying – she'd hoped to network a little longer – but she doesn't fully register something is wrong until they've broken atmo, and she's brought into the office to see her father there, and he'd never come pick her up from something like this –

His words filter through to her like faint light through murky water. She finds herself screaming in a way she hasn't since she was a child – "You can't just pull me out of school!" – "What about the Youth Legislature – " – "What about my friends?" "What about my future?" "There's no future for me locked away on some backwater – " "I'm your daughter, not your pet!"

He doesn't listen – he never listens – he says Damask is a threat and if she won't see that she doesn't need her friends, doesn't need school, doesn't need a future because he's sending her to the isolated estate of a friend of his, one well outside of the backwater politics of Naboo, one much better regarded in the wider galaxy, and that friend has a son her age –

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Thunder fills the air, the smell of burnt meat assaults her, as her father's guards pull their blasters much too late – their blood splatters the bottom edge of her robe as their useless corpses crumple against the wall next to the door sliding open to reveal her useless mother, her asshole brothers who've always stolen what's rightfully hers ever since they were small children shouldering their way in past the frozen woman –

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It doesn't occur to her that a ghost could help the living, that Vader could even hear her.

 

 It's Magister Demask she calls, blood speckled across her cheeks, bodies cooling at her feet, body trying to shake itself apart.

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Stay where you are. Give me your coordinates. Follow my orders.

(He's close, she thinks distantly. (He's suspiciously close.))

 He steps onto her craft not as Demask, but with a shadowy power coiling around him, and she knows this –

She doesn't know whether to laugh or cry as he reveals himself as Darth Plagueis, the last and mightiest of the Sith Lords, so instead she keeps her expression flat and kneels at his feet as he demands, swearing herself to his service, to obey him as her teacher, her Master, and he names her in turn –

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She rises to her feet as Darth Sidious, and she walks off her family's ship without a single look back, trusting his promise to take care of things. 

He doesn't permit her to return to Naboo nor Chandrila, not right away, but that's alright because surely Vader will wait for her, and Sidious is too enthralled by this chance – too excited about having some of her own stories to tell Vader, to stand between both Sith living and dead (yet she still doesn't tell Plagueis about the ghost). She deals with the fallout of her family's deaths from afar, Plagueis's invisible hand on her shoulder, and she lets him steer her away.

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He doesn't explain anything. He doesn't tell stories; he doesn't even describe the Force. He takes her far away from any hyperlane, to a frozen nothing of a world, orders her to drink something she knows is poison, orders her to strip, then casts her out, throws her bodily down as a blizzard rages, and ice cracks under her as she tumbles to the base, frigid water bubbling up and threatening to consume her.

 She looks up, to see him resting easily on top of the slope, actually dressed for the weather, and his voice thunders through her mind – Climb.

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Her startled rage gets her out of the stream, gets her partway up the slope – Climbher feet slide, snow and ice collapsing from under her, and she falls heavily on her unprotected front. The ice adheres greedily to her wet skin – it tears as she pushes herself up, as she scrambles a few steps further up the slope – it burns, and her lungs burn with it, as she falls again, and Plagueis's laughter echoes somehow louder than the screaming wind, she can't see through the white hail and her frigid eyeballs and her incandescent rage –

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Close your eyes.

It's barely a whisper, nothing compared to the maelstorm of Plagueis, to the blizzard she's wrapped in. It's nothing more than a whisper in her mind, and Palpatine hears it anyways.

 She obeys that whisper, her eyes sliding shut.

The Force courses throughout and is the universe. It is in you. It is in me. It is in this world. Breathe.

She breathes in, and it isn't that the cold leaves her, it isn't that she grows warm – the cold sinks even deeper into her – but so does the roaring fury of this planet, its howling rage at seeing a Sith dare set foot upon its ground again, the blizzard rising in her –

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Pathetic. Have you given up already?

Sidious forces herself up as her meditative immersion in the storm shatters – but the ice doesn't sting so much as it whips at her skin, and with every breath the rising drumbeat of her heart calls out in an ever increasing crescendo: hate-him hate-him HATE-HIM.

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She pushes herself up, but it isn't his taunts that drive her on (isn't even the blizzard in her core, the hatred in her heart, perhaps; perhaps is that gentle whisper in her mind).

She keeps her face placid, mask-like, as she slips again and again, as he mocks her again and again – she refuses to make any expression, to twitch a single muscle of her face, as she reaches the top and instead of anything resembling a reward he pins her down and humiliates her, rubs her face into the ground just to make sure she'll remember her place –

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(I killed my own family for less, her blank expression doesn't say.)

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A month later, Palpatine sits in her family's summer house, on the patio overlooking the lake. She's warm, the thermostat set to blazing, but she still feels cold all the time. She's supposed to be putting affairs in order here, getting the house cleaned up and deciding what she'll keep or dispose of. 

It's the dead of night, and a mist rises from the lake, and all Palpatine can think of is how to get back to Chandrila.

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There's a soft noise – a familiar swell of power – and Vader sits down beside her, a concerned expression on her face. The colors of life animate her as they haven't since that first brief meeting.

 

She waits for Palpatine to speak.

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"I'm a Sith now, too," Palpatine says into the dead air. "I killed my family, and I swore myself to the cause of the Sith Lords."

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"You have that air about you," she says, softly. "Are you alright?"

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Palpatine laughs, dryly. "I'm powerful, or I will be. What does 'alright' matter?"

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She places a hand on Palpatine's arm – it's the first time Vader's touched her, and it doesn't feel like skin, but like a soft concentration of the Force pressing exactly so. "The Force is stronger than any of us," she says. "And you can't swim its currents wounded."

"What harmed you?"

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Anger lashes through Palpatine, taking her breath away. "Everything!" she shouts. "Everything and everyone! Naboo – my father – my useless mother – my brothers – Darth Plagueis – "

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Vader nods solemnly, like she expected that answer, and she brushes hair out of Palpatine's face with a gentle touch of the Force. "They betrayed you."

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"They did. And you will, too – you're a Sith, and that's the way of us."

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"It is not my way. Freedom means nothing, power means nothing if you wrap yourself in chains of your own making – in whatever betrayals you inherited."

"My master was a Sith like Plagueis. I died because I refuse to be the same."

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The fight leaves her as her breath rattles out of her chest. 

"That was you I heard, wasn't it?"

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"Yes."

"I warned you that at times I'm little more than a voice; I would have struck him down for harming you, if I could."

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It doesn't square in her head – Vader is knowledgable, important. How can she not be powerful? 

 

"...Why?" she asks, and at Vader's understanding look the floodgates burst. "Why do you care – why doesn't he care – I didn't hate him, this entire thing started because I didn't hate him, I would've worked towards his goals, he didn't need to – why does he want me to hate him?" Her voice breaks. "Why don't you want me to hate you, if that's what strength in the dark side requires?"

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There's a gentle pressure over her mouth, a quiet 'hush' bringing a pause to the tirade. The image of her hand rises to cup Palpatine's cheek, and her sincerity presses in through the Force. "Because he's blind, and he can see no other way than the way he was raised, no other path than the one he was set on by those whose memories have been lost to the dusts of time. He's blind, because he cannot see your true worth."

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Palpatine blinks, takes in a shuddering breath – and tries to surge forward, to grab Vader's hair, to brush the ghost's mouth with her own, as a strange and powerful emotion slams through her.

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Vader lets her for the briefest of moments – then Palpatine finds herself on her back, pinned with Vader above her, the Force dark and heavy and wrapping around her body like a vice –

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It's nothing like when Plagueis did this, some distant part of her notes. (The beautiful woman she's been obsessed with looming over her helps; that she technically started it helps more; something about Vader's presence, about how the Force wraps around her, helps even more.) She can't wriggle; she makes a frustrated noise instead.

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"If this is something you want from me... I will be the one in control – and I do not want you to agree to that lightly, not until you understand what I mean; not until you've made your choice about your future." The vice-like grasp releases her.

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Palpatine sits up slowly. "My future – ?"

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"Plagueis is my enemy. You call him Master."

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Palpatine's stomach drops. "I have to choose – ?" She hates him this shouldn't be a contest – but she needs him, he's the only one she can rely on – she needs him to teach her to use the Force, to stand on her own – she'd thought Vader would approve but Palpatine's apparently a fool –

"I need a teacher," she says, hating the way her voice cracks.

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"Plagueis is not the only Sith Lord."

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She wavers, then: "What – what would be the difference, between the paths?" She doesn't really know she can trust Vader, and trust is for small children and simpletons anyways, but...

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Vader pauses for a long moment.

"Under Plagueis... You would grow powerful, true, perhaps far more powerful than I could ever make you. You would remake the galaxy in your own image, and in time he will die as your father did, and his name will be forgotten as yours lives on in infamy – you will be the greatest of Sith Lords... Until you die as your father and your Master did."

"The path through me is cloudier; I cannot see myself. But I will teach you, anything and everything you might need, and the day you surpass me will be my proudest day. I do not know yet what that future will look like, but... I want to reach it with you."

"Plagueis will teach you power; I will do everything in my own power to teach you to flourish."

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Vader's words – her prophecy, because that must be what this is, it rings so true – Vader's words hit Palpatine like a blow to the chest. She takes a deep breath through it, tries to marshal the thoughts her brain is telling her area important.

"...People need to have a place in society. A purpose. One that fits for them, but society – it isn't giving them that. It gives the unworthy power, and suppresses the weak. It makes the rich richer, and leaves the poor to starve. And no one knows how to fix it, what they want or what's best for them, so they make choices that just make everything worse, and they hurt each other. They're like... They're animals, trying to climb out of a gorge." She shivers at remembered cold. "They'll pull each other down, at the cost of climbing out. So they need someone strong, someone smart, someone who'll always do the right thing, to order society correctly. To tell them what to do." To remake things in her own image, she supposes.

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"...That isn't... How I would describe things. Not how I would describe everyone, at least."

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"...Plagueis agreed with me. He told me the Sith are that person – even when I thought..."

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"I thought he was just Magister Damask. I thought – I thought he was smart and clever and he knew what he was doing, and he agreed, and he opposed my father politically and he wanted trade and prosperity for the whole galaxy – "

"He told me I could be that guiding hand. That I didn't have to sit back and just leak my father's scandals and hope someone else fixes things, that I could fix things, that I could be that person."

"He told me I can be a Sith and I can be powerful and I can lead the galaxy at his right hand, and he lied. He isn't interested in trade, he isn't interested in sharing power, he doesn't care about me." 

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"I thought he understood, I knew there was something – I knew he didn't – I knew society would disapprove of him, my family disapproved of him, but society's morals are shit anyways and it was flattering, the way he was interested in me, and anyways it wasn't a big trade for power, for things being right, everyone has flaws and that's what teachers always want anyways, what anyone wants from someone weaker. But he was lying and he didn't even care, he just wanted to manipulate me, he wanted to get me dependent on him then humiliate me so I'd be a better Sith, and he said it was good for me and that if I survived I'd be grateful."

 

"He said if I died, then it'd just prove that I'd always been worthless anyways. That I wasn't able to handle power, that I couldn't draw on the Force well enough, and if I'm weak I might as well be dead."

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"But I don't know what I'm doing."

"Maybe I'm wrong and everyone else is content and in their place and this is how the galaxy is meant to be, but - but - "

"I don't know where I fit."

"And how am I supposed to know what future I want, what flourishing would look like, if I don't even know where I'm supposed to be now?"

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Something warm and heavy wraps around her.

"Your place in the world... That's not something anyone can give you. No one knows you, not truly, not the way you know yourself. And the Jedi claim the Force will guide those who open themselves to it – will work through them and bring them to their place in the world – but..."

"I don't think even the Force can decide that for us. It's something you'll need to find for yourself – but my job as your teacher i would be to help you. Not to lead you, but to give you the tools you need – and it's okay if you discover that place is 'under my control;' you don't need to be powerful to be worthy, and I will never mock you for it. But it's also okay if that place is somewhere far from me, surpassing me."

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"Isn't the Force everything? Isn't it all powerful? How can it not – ?"

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"The Force is in everything, but it isn't everything – it is the connections between everything. It is the bond between us and our fellow people, us and the world we inhabit – our present, our past, our future. It connects you to those you've never met and never will – but it connects you most strongly to those closest to you."

"Something told you that both I and Plagueis are important, didn't it?"

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Slow nod. "The Force. That's – that's how I knew."

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"It did."

"But that connection doesn't mean you can trust us. It's a bond, for better and worse – and you will always be connected to Plagueis, to your father, to your planet; the past can never leave you, because it is part of you, now."

"I can never abandon you, either, even if you turn away from me."

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She looks away, taking a deep, shaking breath and squeezing her eyes shut.

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Vader gives her space.

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"...I want to be your apprentice. I don't know what that future will hold," and that's terrifying, "But I want to find out... Master."

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There's a tiny catch in Vader's Force signature, something almost like pleased surprise. "I will rename you," she says – warns, almost. "You will swear a new oath to me."

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She very promptly kneels at Vader's feet, and then discovers she likes that little flutter around her new Master. (A superior who can be properly flustered is a new treat.) "What would you have me swear?" Plagueis had demanded simply that she pledge that it was her will to join her destiny forever with the Order of the Sith Lords; a far more insulting oath than one of personal loyalty, in some ways.

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"I'd like to see what you can think up."

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Her mind goes immediately to the oaths between Houses, for some reason – including those sworn in the clan-marriage of a subordinate Matriarch to her House's new patron. "I swear to bind my House to yours," she says, "I swear that your enemy shall be my enemy; that your House shall be my House. I swear that whatever befalls you shall befall me; that wherever you guide me, I shall follow. If I turn back from this oath, may I be cast out; may my name be stricken from the annals of history; may my works become sand beneath the water."

Does she believe it? Maybe, maybe not. Does she like watching Vader's face as she says it? Absolutely. 

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Vader is obligingly making quite a few faces! Still, she gets herself under control long enough to say, "I swear to bind my destiny to yours; to guide you with care and wisdom. I swear to support you should you falter; to lift you should you fall. I swear to oppose any who assault you; to aid any who assist you, for so long as you choose to walk beside me. If I turn back from this oath, may the Force take me in full; may I be forgotten."

"Rise and take your place beside me, Darth Fidela."

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She stands as commanded. "What first, Master?"

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"We begin your training in the Force properly... And we plan what to do with Plagueis."

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Some time later, on a mostly-unremarkable Mid Rim planet, a Jedi padawan is on a mission. Specifically, a mission to the marketplace to get supplies for dinner. Elesse has many nice things to say about Master Breha. She's conscientious, diplomatic, an excellent duelist, has a surprisingly sly sense of humor and a frankly unexpected number of underworld contacts. But left to her own devices, she would consume nothing but prepackaged ration bars and plain water without even thinking twice. Which is, y'know, fine, that's a way for a person to be. But Jedi aren't actually forbidden from taking joy in life's little pleasures, so after about a week of living with Master Breha, Elesse signed up for a series of culinary electives at the Temple and has diligently continued her studies in that area for the past eight years. Ration bars are for emergencies, damn it, and she wants to eat real food even when they're out in the field.

Oh, and there's something about a locked-door-murder investigation, political instability, potential Black Sun involvement, et cetera, relating to why the Jedi are even on this planet in the first place. Elesse is on the lookout for certain characters, practicing keeping her mind open to the ebbs and flows of the Living Force as she walks. But business is business, and food is food. So yeah. Marketplace.

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It's probably fortunate that she's keeping her mind open to the Force, since that means she feels a sudden darkening, a violent turbulence, approximately fifteen seconds before the first shouts of alarm from the other end of the long outdoor market. The predawn crowds and restaurant shoppers have left, and the tourists and late sleepers mostly haven't woken up yet, but there's still enough people she can't immediately see what's going on.

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Ah, hell. She starts hurrying in that direction.

"Excuse me- Pardon me- Jedi business, thank you-" Please just be a fistfight, it is too early in the morning for blasters.

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The good news: it isn't blasters!

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The bad news: it's lightsabers; red ones, to be exact.

As Elesse finally breaks through, girl in generic dark robes with her face covered by what might be a scarf parries a heavy-handed blow by a tall figure in conspicuously menacing black clothes, then as he overcommits and stumbles she turns to run – further into the open street. There's already some light debris, and people are doing their damned best to start a stampede away from the fight.

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She takes it back, this is worse.

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Okay, enough panic. Mental ping to Master Breha. Then project calm, get to the front of the incipient riot, intercept the rogues' path. Her own amber saber out in a guard position. "Remain calm, evacuate in an orderly fashion," orders to the crowd in a loud, confident voice.

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The taller of the darksiders turns to her, snarls, "Jedi," and takes an almost idle swing with his rather excessive lightsaber pike – it has a single long red blade attached to a long shaft with a short metal blade at the other end, likely cortosis – but he's fast, and the blow's clearly powerful – and with how wide an arc he's got, there's a couple people plausibly still in the danger zone.

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Remember how she said Breha was an excellent duelist? She also has an interest in obscure and unusual weapons. So Elesse has sparred against spears before. She intercepts the swing on the plasma blade, which is not great for her in terms of leverage, but shorting out her own saber trying to get the haft would be worse and you'd have to be an idiot to be swinging something that long around if it could just be cut in half so she's not going to take the chance.

Then what she needs to is get inside his reach, but not in a way that lets him threaten the civilians who still haven't, argh- "Leave now," she- doesn't snap, says firmly. Now if she can maintain the blade lock and the other one (whyyyy are there two) cares more about stabbing this one in the back than getting away or starting a massacre of their own-

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The other one does, in fact, turn quietly on her heel and lunge for her enemy's briefly unprotected back – and when he tries to disengage from Elesse, she goes low, blade flicking out for his underprotected calves, scoring a muffled yell before the sweep of the back half of his pike forces her to roll out of the way.

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Okay. Okay. Reposition to better ward the stragglers while they're distracted. Then- she can't actually let them kill each other either, right, that sounds wrong. So... delay, distract, open negotiations.

"My name is Elesse Vendar, of the Jedi Order. Drop your weapons and surrender."

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The tall one tries to say something surely witty and dismissive, interrupted by the shorter one totally ignoring Elesse and going for his side before darting back out of melee; the tall darksider turns his back on Elesse briefly, tries to swipe at the girl darksider, but she's retreating again – this time at least away from stragglers.

...It's a bit difficult to tell, but the girl actually probably had an opening for a fatal blow there, which she seems to have disregarded in favor of trying to maim her opponent again. (He's slowing down, at least, favoring one of his legs.)

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That's... strange. That's makes this easier? Maybe? Still need to protect the civilians but also don't need to directly intervene to prevent a murder. She will hold her position but also launch some of the loose bricks at the pair, mostly concentrated on the taller one.

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She might need to intervene to protect the girl, who gets significantly more aggressive – takes bigger risks – just as Elesse gets the sense her Master is rapidly approaching. The taller darksider is doing his level best to cut the girl in half.

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The others are at a safe enough distance that she feels confident in doing so.

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And then Breha Organa lands in the midst of the three-way melee like a crashing thunderbolt. She spins low, sweeping the taller darksider's legs out from under him, her azure blade flicking out with a life of its own to snag the other one's saber.

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She turns the blade off and disengages, a smirk on her face, as the taller darksider starts cursing and trying to get back on his feet – a bit hampered by all the injuries the girl has inflicted to his legs.

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She calls her lightsaber back and points it at the man's chest as she telekinetically pushes him down. "Stay down."

"What are you doing here?" she asks the girl.

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Elesse starts circling around slowly to have a better line on the one her master doesn't have pinned.

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"Being attacked, apparently."

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"There are easier ways to get our attention."

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"And inconvenience an enemy at the same time?" (These Jedi are kinda cute...)

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"Depending on the nature of the enemy, yes."

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"We have Holonet frequencies, you know."

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"But this is so much more enjoyable." (Also, that wouldn't have helped with flushing out Plagueis's latest audition for the position of sole apprentice; this one's clearly had training for longer than Fidela herself, and he's been annoying to quietly eliminate - but she suspects he's less loyal to Plagueis, and will know more if he flips...)

(Speaking of being annoying to pin down, she's slowly and carefully maneuvering herself to make a run for it.)

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"On the other hand, it would have endangered fewer bystanders. So pluses and minuses." Elesse isn't gonna get all the way around in time, is she...

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"But I think way has worked out rather nicely, don't you?" Nope, the girl is almost to a plausible escape route, at least if she's acrobatic enough to jump up a few walls...

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"It's not over until it's over." It'll be a rooftop chase, then. Elesse can work with that.

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"We'll see." And with that, she jumps – clearly Force-assisted – and swings herself onto a convenient balcony before jumping again to reach the roof.

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They will see!

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"Wait, Elesse."

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"But she's getting away!"

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"Do not only react, padawan. Think. Act with reason."

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Elesse takes a breath, recentering herself. How did that fight go? "...She wanted us to take the other one prisoner. She could have killed him, or run earlier, or gone into the crowd. But she focused on disabling strikes, using me to keep him pinned down until you got here."

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She nods. "That is my analysis. Then we must ask, why? There is a message here for us, and I believe we ought to read it first."

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"What if it's just a distraction? Maybe- she's involved with the murder and is going to tamper with evidence?"

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"Possible, but unlikely. Revealing herself at all is risk, as we were not previously aware of her presence. And there could have been things that went wrong with the fight, had she misjudged her opponent or us, that would interfere with any plans she had later."

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"What if she has allies? Oh, no, then chasing would just get me into an ambush."

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"Consider also: what malice did you sense from her as she fled?"

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Elesse bites her lip. "Not much... More- amusement?"

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"Good, yes. And that much was genuine. I do not think we face an imminent threat from her direction, but I suspect we will be seeing that one again. So we will allow this one chance, and where it leads will determine our course when next we meet."

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"Yes, master."

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"Go comm the Temple and tell them we need a pickup. I will see about begging the loan of a jail cell from the magistrate."

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It's as Elesse is heading back to their ship for the comm that she sees the woman – a muffled presence in the Force, little more than a shadow to Elesse's sight, and no one else is reacting to her despite how odd she is –

Somehow, Elesse knows that she's both proud and grieving.

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What is that. She detours.

"Hello?"

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Surprise flickers across her expression – and a significantly worse grief surges through Elesse's odd sense of her emotions. She wavers for a moment – nearly fades from view entirely, before a ghostly: "You can see me?"

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"Yes. What... are you?"

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"A ghost."

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"I didn't think ghosts were real."

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A wry smile, though her emotions still echo nothing but grief. "The Force contains a great number of mysteries still. Most cannot perceive me – in fact, my apprentice will be rather put out that she's no longer unique there."

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"Your apprentice?"

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"Yes. She's already disappointed you didn't chase her."

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Elesse takes a step back. "The darksider."

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Her apparent amusement fades, her grief twisting into sorrow. 

"I will not harm you," she says, somehow even more quietly.

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"I'm not quite ready to take that on trust."

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"I have been dead a long time. You are only the third to have perceived me, even briefly; only the second I could speak to."

She seems to be fading out.

"Perhaps, in time, you will trust that even Sith do not wish for such a lonely existence."

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She certainly seems sad enough for that to be true, but Elesse doesn't know anything about ghosts and she does know some things about darksiders. So. They'll see, as the other one said.

After the ghost disappears, she continues on her way to the ship, deciding against including this last bit in the report. Stick to just the things that involve all alive people.

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She's informed that Master Antilles and her padawan Meinwen will be rendezvousing with her at the earliest opportunity.

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Great. Definitely who you want for helping with darksiders. Less good for a murder investigation, but maybe Meinwen will do her shatterpoint thing and wrap the whole thing up forty minutes after touching down.

Elesse calls Breha to let her know, and is in turn informed that their investigation will be paused until the others arrive, so that they can keep an eye on the darksider in his cell. So Elesse can bring some of the ration bars to Breha. (Sigh. So much for dinner.)

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Well, as soon as the ship lands and she disembarks, Meinwen pulls up short when she sees Elesse.

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"Something in my hair?"

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"...A shatterpoint. A large one – and a new one."

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"Oh. Great."

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"Heard you caught a darksider."

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"Master Breha's watching him. There was another, but she got away."

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She hums. "Shatterpoint might have something to do with her..." She shakes her head. "It's difficult to say clearly, right now."

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"We'd better go find Breha, then," Meinwen's master says, joining the padawans on the hangar floor. "More context might help."

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Onwards, then?

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Yep. Hopefully they don't get attacked again on the way.

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Nothing springs out at them (except maybe a very faint sense of being watched, at least for Elesse)..

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Surely it will be fine.

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Breha is keeping vigil at the cell. She stands to greet them.

"Master Antilles. Padawan Meinwen."

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She walks up to the cell and looks at the darksider for a few long moments, ignoring his angry taunts with an even expression, before turning away.

She doesn't think the shatterpoint on Elesse is centrally related to this darksider... But... There's a certain pattern of cracks in the Force... "There's something important around him," she says after a moment (after making sure he can't hear her). "But he, himself, is not the focus."

"Also, there's a major shatterpoint around Elesse that wasn't there before, but it's... Connected to something, I think, or part of a multi-center point with something else – something I can't see."

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"Y'all find the most fucked up shit," Asha comments.

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"It keeps life interesting."

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"Keeps my life interesting, you mean."

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"Just so." Breha smiles serenely. "Then, Master Antilles, I propose you and I escort this one back to Coruscant, while our padawans keep a handle on things here."

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"An interesting life creates good challenges to learn from, Master Asha," she teases. "I wouldn't want to fall behind Elesse."

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"Suppose leaving the two of you to catch up would be a good thing, then."

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"And we do need to practice working independently."

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"Don't do anything I wouldn't."

Then the senior Jedi will start getting ready to leave.

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And she'll pull Elesse aside for a more thorough rundown on the local situation – both her original mission and the encounter with the darksider.

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Sure. The original mission is like, half done? They've got most of the facts of the matter and the various testimonies, it's just a question of putting everything together and seeing what they're still missing. Elesse has some theories and is pretty sure Master Breha knows the most likely answer and is using this as a learning opportunity.

As for the darksider... it's almost like they were waiting for her.

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"You specifically, or any Jedi – ?"

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"I'm hoping any Jedi? Because otherwise I have a stalker problem. But if it was just whoever happened to show up on this planet and then the choice was me or Master Breha, you can kind of see why it would be me."

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Thoughtful nod. "Do you think it was just the one who escaped waiting, or that this was a plan by both of them?"

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"The one who escaped wasn't fighting to kill, really. The one we got was."

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"Just one, then... But that brings up a question – why would a darksider want the Jedi to capture a different darksider, even a rival – ?" She then shakes her head. "Though that might be easier to answer once we know which cult the one we captured is from."

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"Agreed. They should be able to get some information out of him at the Temple."

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"Still... She was either being reckless or playing a complicated game by letting us know she's a darksider, too."

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"Both are things darksiders are known for."

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"True enough."

"Did she say anything else to you, beyond what was in the report – ?"

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Elesse shakes her head. "No, that was all."

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She nods. "Can you show me where the fight happened? And what direction they came from initially."

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Yep. They can follow the Jedi Masters out the door and then split off for the scene of the altercation.

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She identified the site once they're on the street, even before Elesse can point it out – and then she says, "A shatterpoint happened here recently... I can trace this back, I think..."

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"Need any help?"

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"Help wouldn't go amiss."

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They can pool their senses, then.

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They're able to follow the trail of the captured darksider, but... Meinwen can tell when he encountered the one that got away, but she can't sense where that one came from. 

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Does Elesse have any better luck there? She has a more direct connection to the person.

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...Maybe? She's getting a vague hunch, at least, almost like a whisper.

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Vague hunch is better than nothing. Which way?

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Towards the spaceport, maybe?

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"Let's try the spaceport," Elesse says. "Might have records, if we're lucky."

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She nods. "The chance even one of them - let alone both - is local is fairly low, after all."

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And as they get closer, Elesse will see if she has a feeling about any of the bays in particular.

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Not exactly a feeling – given she glimpses a very familiar ghost leaning against a particularly nondescript craft, one tucked away from casual eyes or, perhaps more importantly, any cameras.

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Mngh. All right. What's the log have to say about that one?

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It seems it's been there only a few days, though the captain had registered a departure date/ time of late the night before, and there's unanswered stern warnings about fees. This port doesn't do much to verify identities, but they were sent a license whose picture matches the captured darksider.

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They should be able to wrangle that into jurisdiction for a forced boarding. Dump the navcomp, see where he's been.

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He's scrubbed much of it.

...Also, Elesse and Meinwen aren't the only ones to access this in the last couple of hours. There's traces of another guest user being given permission for a forced boarding and then going through the same files as them.

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Security logs?

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It takes some persuasion to get ahold of actual camera footage (none of the logs have anything entered formally), but... 

It seems the darksider who got away beat them here - and no one seems to have seen anything at all strange about her just walking into the security office.

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Mind trick? Or some related stealth technique, possibly, she's seen Breha do similar things.

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Well, nobody they ask has more than a hazy memory of the girl.

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Yeah, that tracks.

Okay, options from here. They could try meditating on the echoes of her actions here and try to pick up her trail that way. They could check the docking logs for a couple days in either direction around the time the male darksider's ship landed and see if there are irregularities there (though if she came on a shuttle instead of a private ship, that's not likely to be helpful). They could review more footage to try to track her back to a ship, since she doesn't seem to be spoofing the holocams.

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Perhaps Elesse could meditate - she has a better sense of the girl - while Meinwen checks logs and reviews footage?

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A sensible division of labor. She will see what she can divine. (And see if that... ghost... comes knocking.)

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She seems to be quietly watching Elesse, actually. 

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She will try cautiously reaching out a mental connection.

"Don't suppose you want to save me some time and tell me where your apprentice is?"

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That gets her a carefully muted sense of amusement. "And what would you do with that information?" (It feels natural, almost easy, to talk to the woman like this.)

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She should keep an eye on that, huh. "Spy on her to learn about her plans and figure out how t- if they need to be thwarted."

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"Only if?"

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"She's a darksider, but she ran away instead of escalating and she didn't try to hurt any civilians. So. She's not ontologically evil." Master Breha says that people are not their past, even if they are formed by it. The future is always in motion, which means you can make different choices in the present.

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Despite her gentle smile, there's that same deep sense of grief again. "Is using the dark side of the Force in and of itself an evil act, then?"

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"Most people would say yes, and for good reasons. Most of what the dark side is used for is evil."

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That gets her a considering hum. "You are right - in more ways than you know, I suspect." 

"The other Sith Lord currently active would tell you that the light side is just as easily turned to evil as the dark; that the only difference between righteous war and craven murder is whether the rich and powerful approve; that the very concept of evil is a fiction to keep others in line. He would conveniently leave out that he has done evil with every tool he's had, dark side or not; that he, himself, is counted among the rich and powerful; that by freedom he means submission to him. It is what he told my apprentice, before I took her from him, and it is much the same as my own Sith Master told me."

"Even still, it would be a mistake to call either of them ontologically evil. Even my Master was a child once, who railed against poverty and corruption, who wanted to make the galaxy a better place; she grew up to be the most evil person I've known - and she chose evil at every opportunity given to her."

"My apprentice is a child still, one much like my Master once was." Exactly is that child, actually, but details are merely details. "I aim only to guide her away from that poisoned legacy, and to oppose the other Sith."

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"Aren't there easier ways to do that than using the name and tools of your enemies?"

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"Sometimes... We use the tools we have."

"And there's strengths to the dark side ‐ things I can accomplish with it, that I couldn't when I was a Jedi."

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"Like what?"

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"In general... At the simplest level, the dark side brings power. It hides itself, and it hides other things. It moves suddenly, directly. The light side brings control. It reveals itself, and it reveals other things. It moves slowly, indirectly."

"I am continuing my apprentice's lessons in the dark side because it is easier to teach someone control than power, to intentionally reveal something than intentionally hide, to slow down than to speed up. And... She's already drawn the wrath of a powerful Sith, one skilled at mind games - she needs every tool she can to protect herself."

"For me specifically..."

"As a ghost, cohering like this is more straightforward, so long as I maintain a balance and don't go too far into rage. I turned back to the light before I died, and at first I could only occasionally appear in the dreams of one specific individual - I couldn't really even observe the world from one specific vantage, not without quickly flowing away and back into the wider Force. After that individual died... I turned back to the dark, and while my existence was no less lonely, I could at least explore and think as myself."

"In life, it was much easier to act directly, and to hide myself and my actions - shielding my mind against my Sith Master had been next to impossible as a Jedi, but I learned the skill quickly after I fell. I was better able to immediately influence the world, including by healing myself."

"After I fell from the light to the dark the first time, I couldn't use battle meditation anymore, and I stopped having visions, but... I didn't mourn the loss. I'd emerged into Knighthood directly into a war; for me, the greatest powers of the light side all meant just that."

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"Why are you telling me all this?"

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She is defintely not serving as a distraction.

"I enjoy teaching, for one."

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"But you still haven't answered my first question." Which Elesse had almost forgotten about, with all the philosophy.

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"I suppose I haven't."

"What sort of plans would need to be thwarted?"

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Okay that makes twice. "If you're not going to, just say so."

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"I'm not going to give you information that could seriously endanger her. But... If you were inclined to target our mutual enemies instead - the other Sith - then... Something could be negotiated."

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"My goal is to prevent people getting hurt. The... other... Sith seem more likely to do that. So far."

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"That's my goal as well."

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"Then maybe we can work together." Or the ghost could be lying. But she doesn't feel like she's lying, and Elesse doesn't think she's just fooling herself there.

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"I'd like that."

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"But I need to know where your apprentice is to trust you."

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A small pause, then she gives a location. "She's about to leave. If you're serious about this... I can ask her to wait." 

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"I won't start a fight if she doesn't."

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"I'll tell her to be polite."

"Can you say the same for your fellow Jedi, though?"

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"I'll stop her, if she tries."

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She nods, then: "Are you planning to tell her about this conversation?"

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"Not... yet."

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"Why?"

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"I want to learn more first."

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"Then I'll tell my apprentice not to let on that we've been talking."

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"That will make it easier."

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"We have a deal."

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Elesse will withdraw from contact, and wait for the ghost to disappear.

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She fades out. 

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Elesse spends a few more moments actually meditating. It'd be a good idea to be at least a little centered before going through with this.


Then, she opens her eyes and goes to Meinwen.

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Who's had some success with the surveillance footage, though less with the logs - there's no recent arrivals nor departures matching the description of their renegade darksider, but she didn't make any particular effort to hide from the cameras and Meinwen's managed to track her movements. 

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"I think I have a lead."

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She nods. "Best I can tell, she got on a local transport - surveillance cuts out after that, but there's a few different places she could've gone..." She'll pull up a map; one of the locations is the one Vader told Elesse about: a smaller port used for shuttles to and from the planet's moon and a handful of stations in orbit, used almost entirely by locals.

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Elesse points it out. "Here."


"I think... We should approach without aggression. Diplomatically."

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She gives Elesse a searching look. "Are you sure?"

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She nods. "It'll go better if we do."

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She nods. "Your call, then."

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"Thanks."

Then, shall they go?

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She'll follow Elesse.

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Off to visit a darksider. Maybe in a public lounge so violence would be contraindicated anyway. They'll see when they get closer.

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No such luck - the darksider is apparently waiting in her own shuttle.

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So much for public transit.

"Coming in with me or watching the perimeter?" she asks Meinwen.

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(They did take public transport to get to this satellite port, at least - but a private shuttle is unusual. Most of the shuttles leaving from here are moving a large number of people to and from the moon.)

"I'd rather come with you."

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"Fair enough."

Elesse will knock.

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The shuttle door opens, revealing a very nice interior, though it's decorated in a distinctly bland style - and their darksider isn't immediately visible, though the angle of view through the open door isn't great. 

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Money but no evident taste. Well, maybe she's incognito and doesn't want to give anything away.

"Hello?"

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Their darksider steps into view. "How unusually polite of you to knock."

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"Unusually polite of you not to try to kill me. Favor for a favor."

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"You weren't my target."

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"Collateral damage isn't a usual dark side concern."

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"Then you've only run into inefficient, poorly trained idiots before."

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"As contrasted with your... efficient self?" Leaving open the question of training quality and intelligence. "Though this is my first time meeting a darksider, actually."

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"Intelligent, efficient, and it'd be a grevious insult to my Master to claim I'm anything but well trained." She's probably teasing?

"And it's better to form your own impressions, rather than relying on the propaganda of others."

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"I'd be remiss to not at least seek the opinions of the Jedi who came before me. The galaxy is too vast for a single perspective to contain its totality."

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"Yet that 'wisdom' was inaccurate here."

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"Only for you. Your 'target' fit the profile well."

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"And he's little more than a flash in the pan."

"Tell me - in the last thousand years, have the Jedi actually defeated any true Sith, rather than mere disposable pawns, rather than members of the myriad weak darkside cults?"

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"You claim to be a true Sith, then?" (Cultists and upstarts and revolutionaries use the name sometimes - but to her knowledge not as part of an enduring tradition.)

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She steps back suddenly. "If you actually want to talk - come in properly."

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Meinwen gives Elesse an uncertain look.

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Elesse gives her a confident nod, and steps into the ship.

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She follows.

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The door closes behind her, and the darksider - the Sith - goes to sprawl faux-languidly on a bench.

"I am Darth Fidela," she states casually, like she's discussing the weather, "Apprentice to Darth Vader. We are the inheritors of an unbroken line of Sith, one stretching back a thousand years to Darth Bane."

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"All the way back to the Ruusan Reformations, huh. Not going to claim the Sith before that?"

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"There was a rather meaningful political change going on."

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Hum.

"My name is Elesse Vendar, padawan of the Jedi Order. My comrade Meinwen, of the same."

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"It's a pleasure to meet you."

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"Not sure if I'll say the same just yet."

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"But it's a possibility?"

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"Depends how much slaughter, corruption, and general malfeasance you plan to get up to."

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"Much less than the other Sith. I'm planning to kill them, and anyone working for them who makes nonlethal takedowns impractical. 'Corruption' and 'general malfeasance' are difficult to define clearly."

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"Undue unmitigated harm to civilians, local governments, or Republic institutions. There's a six-hundred page ethics handbook I can send you if you want. But it boils down to 'ask is this something a holodrama villain would do? If yes, consider not doing that'."

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"And what if the local governments and Republic institutions are already corrupt and engaging in general malfeasance?"

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"Then the harm may be due, and you should try to mitigate it."

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"And if I instead use it to my advantage...?"

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"Then we may find ourselves opposed to you, and it will be less of a pleasure to have met you."

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"We'll see how things go, then."

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"Is that the sort of thing you're planning to do?"

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"If it's necessary to defeat Darth Plagueis."

"This galaxy is rife with corruption - I cannot fix that by artificially limiting myself."

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"You could ask for help."

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"Would a Jedi help me?"

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"Take over the galaxy? No. Deliver justice for the forgotten and expose a hidden evil? Yeah, maybe. We're talking, aren't we?"

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She looks skeptical, opens her mouth to respond -

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And Vader appears leaning against the wall near her feet. "It's a not a bad idea, apprentice," she says.

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(Meinwen doesn't react, instead just staring suspiciously at Darth Fidela.)

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Darth Fidela doesn't obviously react, either - certainly doesn't look at the ghost - but she does close her mouth and then sigh. "If you want to help... Fine. We can talk."

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Elesse is a hair less controlled in her reaction, but she takes a seat opposite Fidela.

"You mentioned a- Darth Plagueis?"

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She nods, and her extremely tight hold on her emotions in the Force slips, revealing briefly a deep well of hatred before she wrests her Force signature back under control. "He's a Sith Lord - a master of the dark side like Darth Vader, albeit weaker and less knowledgeable." Not that she's biased or anything. "He doesn't currently have an apprentice, just acolytes, associates, and useful idiots."

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"One of those being the one you clashed with here?"

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"An acolyte, yes - though Plagueis seems apparently told him he'd win the spot of 'apprentice' if he succeeded at killing me." She rolls her eyes.

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"Callous way to do it."

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"...He's a callous person. Auditions through murder is how he operates."

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"I won't fault you for wanting to take him down."

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"He'd kill every last Jedi, if such a thing was in his reach. He's actively trying to build up that much influence - most of the Baneite Sith have been, and he's gotten ahold of the networks and other power structures."

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"Do you know his identity?"

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"Prove I can trust you not to do anything stupid with it, first."

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"How do you want us to do that?"

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"I'll see what you do with the information you already have, how about?"

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"So you'll be watching us."

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"The effects of your actions, at least."

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"I might be watching more directly."

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Wasn't she supposed to be a secret. Talking like she's part of the conversation when Meinwen is right there makes that kind of hard, actually.

"I can give you my holofreq so you don't have to ambush me with another darksider next time."

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"Where's the fun in that?"

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"Some of us don't subscribe to a philosophy that makes a virtue of violence."

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Overly dramatic sigh. "If you insist..."

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"I am afraid that I must." So she will share her contact information.

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Fidela then shares her own.

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"Suppose that's it then, if you don't want to tell us anything else yet."

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She shakes her head after a moment. 

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"Then, for now... It was nice to meet you."

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"Perhaps next time we'll meet under better circumstances."

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"Force willing." She stands to take her leave.

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She watches them go.

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Meinwen remains tense until they're well away from the Sith, at which point - "The shatterpoint - it's tied to one around her - I've never seen a shatterpoint so massive, and there was something else I couldn't quite get, almost the shadow..."

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Probably the ghost. Not that she's going to say that.

"At least we can keep tabs on it?" she offers.

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Nod. "Especially since it's tied to you as well."

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"Right..."

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The next step is to return to the Temple, right? They need to consult with their teachers. (Though Meinwen will help resolve the murder case that originally brought Elesse here, first.)

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Yeah, plan is solve the murder then leave. Maybe send a progress update in the meantime.

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Do they want to be careful about what they share in the update?

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Might be a good idea, even over an encrypted transmission.

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Details can wait for an in person meeting - for now they can just say they found a potential lead?

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That should do, yeah. Nothing that'll get the wider Temple too excited beyond what Masters Breha and Asha are bringing back.

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Works. 

And then off to focus on solving the murder - fortunately, Meinwen's tendency towards visions and ability to see and track shatterpoints is actually useful here...

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They can nail it down in a couple more days at most. Then before they know it, it's back to Coruscant.

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She gives Master Antilles a heads up that they're coming in with a report - one that she'd prefer to give first to Masters Antilles and Breha.

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Oh, this should be good.

They'll meet the padawans in the hangar, then, and hustle them straight back to Breha's suite.

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Does Elesse want to start, or should Meinwen - ?

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Alright. 

"We tracked the darksider to a different port, one used mostly for travel within the system. Elesse suggested approaching the darksider non-violently. The darksider had her own shuttle, so we... Pretty much just knocked. She let us in, and she was apparently willing to talk."

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"That was a risk," Breha says mildly.

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"I had- a strong feeling, master. Combined with her behavior during the fight, I thought it worth taking."

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She hums. "Go on."

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"She said her name was Darth Fidela, and called herself a Sith. Um 'inheritors of an unbroken line of Sith, one stretching back a thousand years to Darth Bane', were her exact words, about her and her master, Vader. They are apparently fighting a different Sith, a Darth Plagueis."

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Breha and Asha exchange a significant look.

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"Do you recognize the name, Masters?"

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"Came up in the interrogation."

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"She called the one we captured an 'acolyte' of Plagueis - she said Plagueis had promised him the 'spot' of apprentice if he killed her."

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"Where there's one, there's always more. Just like guttersnipes."

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She nods. "Fidela also seemed to know Plagueis's real identity - but she refused to tell us unless we 'proved we wouldn't do anything stupid with it.' She indicated a way of tracking our activities, though she claimed indirectly so."

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"Most of the information one would need to track a Jedi is technically available to the public."

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"She might count doing something Plaguis could track as 'something stupid'..."

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"Track at all, or track back to her? Obviously he's going to notice if his operations start getting rolled up, but we can do parallel construction via the acolyte."

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"There's likely some moves we could make without alerting him, though."

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"True..."

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"I'd also like to find other information sources than Fidela or the acolyte - I don't trust her."

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"Good. Keep doing that."

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"Yet we must start somewhere."

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She nods, then goes over any other questions their Masters have - and after that, it seems like it's time to take their report to the Council? Plus or minus any comments or redactions the Masters want to include.

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Minor tweaks- that will cast the girls' competence in the best light. There are certain to be Questions.

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But even with the tweaks...

The Jedi Council is hesitant to believe that the acolyte or Fidela represent true Sith - it's an incredibly common claim among the various darkside cults, but it's never been substantiated. Their last sure record is from centuries ago - the surviving remnant of the Sith then were operating under the Rule of Two, meaning there'd only ever be a single Master and apprentice at a time, not multiple competing factions.

Also, they disapprove severely of any collaboration with darksiders, including declining to arrest them when the opportunity arises. Whether or not this 'Fidela' was targeting bystanders at the time, she represents a fundamental threat.

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For two padawans alone, nonviolence was the correct choice. Better, perhaps, if Fidela could have been tracked without alerting her, but not unacceptable, even so.

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They have lost many Jedi to the dark side after conversations like this - if the padawans could not safely confront her, it would have been better to retreat. 

Going forward, the Council cannot approve of collaborating with those claiming to be Sith, even to combat other darksiders, nor of accepting intelligence from them.

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Understood.

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The Council wraps up the report shortly after, then informs them that the Council would like for them to remain at the Temple for the time being, to be available for further questions and as a security measure in case of spying by or retaliation from the darksiders.

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Of course, Masters.

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In the turbolift down from the council chambers, Asha rolls her eyes. "Bantha shit."

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"Master...?"

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"The High Council spends too much time on Coruscant. They're flinching, same as always, from anything that suggests the galaxy isn't their comfortable status quo."

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"Then what are our next steps?"

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"For the two of you? Rest and training. Give the Council no cause to cast further suspicion upon you. I will keep an eye on the interrogation of our darksider, and begin what inquiries I can from here."

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"Yes, Master."

"What should we do if Fidela decides to reach out?"

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"Talk to us as soon as possible."

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She nods. 

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After the lift ride, the two pairs split off.

Asha and her padawan are going to do the post-mission debrief while working on saber forms at quarter-speed, as is tradition. "So, what fucked up, and what would you do differently?"

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She thinks for a few moments before answering. "I don't know yet if anything did fuck up - hiding the intelligence about Fidela from the Council would be a drastic step, one that I don't think is warranted." 

"I do not think I could have dissuaded Elesse from speaking to Fidela, and it would have been worse to let her go alone. The situation was... Odd."

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"Odd how?"

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"Fidela knew we were coming, and she was waiting for us - she could've easily escaped well before we got there, and we would've had trouble tracking her - but she wasn't acting like she wanted to talk or collaborate."

"Elesse was also very sure approaching her peacefully would go well, which... Isn't suspicious itself. Elesse is very attuned to the Force and usually has good instincts. But..." She trails off, suddenly uncertain about what she even saw.

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"Do you think she was compromised?"

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"...I don't know. I just... I don't know what's going on."

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"If you figure it out, say something."

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Elsewhere, Elesse decides (as she often does) that what she really wants is more context. So. To the archives, and see what they have to say about historical Sith and fallen Jedi.

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They have a record of Darth Bane, actually, the only survivor of the Brotherhood of Darkness - the Jedi record him as killed a little over a decade after the Seventh Battle of Ruusan. He wasn't believed to have any apprentices. The Banite Sith and the Rule of Two have actually been recorded since - Padawan Kibh Jeen, who kicked off the Dark Jedi Conflict, claimed that the Sith still existed and described the system. His claims were dismissed as the ravings of a madman who fell to the dark side.

There have been fallen Jedi nearly as long as there have been Jedi, so the records are extensive. The longest and most well attested lists are from the Fourth Great Schism and subsequent thousand years of the New Sith Wars, though so many Jedi fell and the Republic was in so much chaos that large tracts of records are lost. After that, known fallen Jedi cluster in the fifty years of the Old Sith War and the twenty eight years of the Great Galactic War; fallen Jedi prior to the Old Sith War are extremely poorly attested even though they definitely existed, and many would've fallen in the First through Third Great Schisms. A relatively manageable amount have fallen since the Ruusan Reformations, and their identities are mostly known. 

Fallen Jedi who emerged into Knighthood straight into a war and who used battle meditation are significantly rarer - true mastery of battle meditation is itself incredibly rare. That particular history would put someone before the Ruusan Reformation, statistically most likely in the New Sith Wars (by sheer numbers of fallen Jedi), followed by the Great Galactic War (and they do actually have a fairly complete list of everyone who used battle meditation on the Jedi's side in the Old Sith Wars, and none of them match Vader), or an even more ancient conflict they don't have records for.

There have been multiple Sith Empires, some of which don't seem particularly related to each other - the Sith name is apparently well thought of enough among darksiders that any group who gets the power to demand everyone else calls them Sith tends to do so, including groups of fallen Jedi like after the Fourth Great Schism.

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These timelines... don't make any sense. A thousand years since Bane, sure, but there's practically no way Vader could have come after that. She'd have had to have been before, which, okay, ghost, maybe that works?? But.


Elesse feels like she may have made a mistake.

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It's while she's staring at her notes in confusion that she gradually becomes aware of a gentle presence, leaning over her table and apparently reading some of what she has out.

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She flinches away with a start.

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Vader pulls back a bit.

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"So which part did you lie to me about," she asks at length.

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"Nothing I said was a lie. Some things were simply... Left out."

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"How long have you been dead."

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"Long enough the years no longer have meaning. Long enough I have chosen to let myself forget most of that great span of time."

"Yet, at the same time, I have just died; at the same time, I have not yet died."

"And yet, at the same time, I have been dead only those few years I had something outside of the Force to interact with. Time grows strange when you are one with the Force; it was not an existence I enjoyed, though at least it cannot be said to have had a clear duration."

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"...Putting it another way. Your apprentice claimed to be the heir of Darth Bane's teaching, but there hasn't been a war with battle meditation that you could have died in since the Ruusan Reformations."

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"She was originally Plagueis's apprentice, for what it's worth."

"Beyond that... I do not wish for the Jedi nor, especially, Plagueis to know how old I am; better they think I am a living result of one of the Line of Bane's many branches, than realize an entirely new paradigm sits before them."

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"That doesn't really help me trust you."

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"What would?"

(She... Doesn't know if she wants to manipulate Elesse into trusting her - well, of course she wants to. But the part of her that used to be Anakin can't imagine Elesse as anything other than good, anything other than filled with wondrous light; what possible right does she have to corrupt the woman who was and yet could be her Jedi Master? And she still doesn't understand why Elesse has kept her a secret - she didn't ask Elesse to do so. And, to be honest with herself, she wouldn't mind more openly collaborating with Elesse's Master, even if no one else; the Breha of her original life was an honorable woman. The only question there is if any Jedi other than Elesse would even consider trusting her...)

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"I don't know."

"I thought if I could- find when you came from, maybe find who you were, that would help- let me understand why you-" Fell? Helped? Still call yourself Sith? Take your pick, really.

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Her image sits next to Elesse. "All of the records of my life, or even the lives of those most important to me, have been long lost, I'm sorry to say."

"I can answer your questions myself, but... You'll have to trust I'm not lying to you."

"And, Elesse... It wouldn't bother me if you asked your Master or even another Jedi for a second opinion - you should trust someone who isn't me, too."

"My own Sith Master... She met me under false pretenses when I was still a padawan - when I was a child of merely nine years old, and she slowly isolated me from the Jedi, convinced me I was special, that what we had should remain secret, that no one would understand - I never told my own Jedi Master about her. And when I entered the war, its currents took me even farther away from my Jedi Master. It was... Ironic, in many ways. I was born the child of a darksider and raised as such; my Jedi Master killed the Master of my childhood and took me as her own. I used the light side of the Force solely to make her happy with me, to win her approval - and then I felt like she made no effort to keep me from being swept away from her. I resented her and the Jedi as a whole for letting me damn myself, even as I spiraled closer and closer to the Sith. I stopped trusting her entirely, and she stopped trusting me, until an argument over why I hadn't participated in a certain battle turned into a full blown fight. I killed her; I still don't know if I was thinking of my anger, or simply of defending myself - honestly, it was likely both."

"The woman who would make me into her apprentice among the Sith came to me, then. She rescued me from an almost certain death from my injuries. She made no effort to heal my mind; it was convenient to her that I was helpless, alone, desperate for someone to understand me. It took me nearly two decades to break free of my dependence on her approval; I couldn't see her for what she was until she targeted my own daughter for her next apprentice. I sacrificed my life to kill her; I spent the rest of my daughter's life using the light side of the Force, to make her happy with me. When she died... There was no one whose approval I could win, and it took a very long time for me to find my own identity."

 

"The dark side is not evil, no more than a literal shadow is. It has its own beauties, its own perils. It took me many more years after my death to appreciate those, and they drew me back to the dark side eventually: a choice I alone made, for the benefit of my own self. I could have claimed any name after that, not just the Sith; but there's a power in stealing the very name of those who harmed me - if in another ten thousand years, the Sith are as I have defined them, that will be the greatest possible revenge against my Sith Master, and against everyone who created her. And... The name remains useful. It got my apprentice to trust me, after all." 

"But there is a great evil in how the Sith have operated throughout history - I do not wish to revisit the evils of my Sith Master, even inadvertently. I do not wish to harm you."

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"I..."

"I hope I can believe that."

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"I understand."

"I can leave you alone for a time, if you want to meditate on this - or even to speak to someone else. I can stay and answer your questions. It's up to you."

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"I," don't want you to go, somehow, "think I need to be alone."

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"Alright."

"I'll return in a week, if that sounds good? Or... I might be able to hear if you reach out in the Force."

(She needs time to meditate herself - on if she'll claim a specific period, or if she'll continue to prevaricate, or instead if she'll tell Elesse the full truth, no matter how fantastic that is - on if she'll keep trying to lure Elesse in.)

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"A week. Okay."

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Too bad Elesse can't fade out.

Okay. She should. Yeah. Hold it together long enough to clean up her study materials and get to a private meditation chamber. And figure all her feelings out.


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"You've been quiet lately, Elesse."

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"Mm."

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"Is there anything I can help with?"

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"Maybe. No. I don't know."

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Breha waits patiently. Her padawan will share, or not, in her own time.

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"How do you tell, Master? If you can trust someone you shouldn't."

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"Is this about the darksider you met?"

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Fidela, sure. Among others. That we're still not talking about.

Elesse nods.

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She had a feeling. Well, it's good this is coming to a head now. Though Elesse has never really been one to let things fester for too long.

"You are normally decisive. What makes you conflicted about this?"

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"...My instincts say I can trust her. But what if she's deceiving my instincts, manipulating me?"

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"With the dark side, you mean."

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"Mm."

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"This is something we all must face at some point. No one is infallible. No Jedi is infallible. It doesn't even take the dark side to be deceived. I've been burned by a contact more than once."

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"Padawan. The stakes are high, yes, but you have tools. You have the Force, but you also have your own wisdom. You have training, you have our histories. You have me. This is not a burden you need bear alone."

"In terms of concrete steps, do you feel as though your judgement in other areas has been compromised?"

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Talking with her Master helped Elesse clarify what she's afraid of: turning into someone she's not. She doesn't want to be warped, twisted. One changes as one grows, but she wants to be able to look back and see the progression is all driven by her own self and not imposed onto her.

And she has a plan and a path to do that. They went over some mindfulness practices and stories from Breha's time as an active Shadow (which Elesse hasn't really heard much about before; she can kind of see why, given how it's not really the place she sees her time as Jedi leading her) and some resources at the Temple she could take advantage of.

She's a lot more centered by the time the week is up.

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Vader appears gently, while she's alone in her quarters - a simple call away from backup, but private nonetheless, with enough free time afterwards she'll be able to meditate before any responsibilities. A calm moment in time overall.

 She doesn't say anything at first. She seems to be struggling to even look fully at Elesse - her emotions are far less muted than usual, and Elesse can clearly feel her anxiety in the Force.

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"Uh, hi." Real smooth, Elesse.

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"Hello."

"Have you spoken to your Master?"

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"I did. Not about you directly but- yeah."

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"You're still keeping me secret?"

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"For now."

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She doesn't know if she approves at a principled level, but it's somehow flattering all the same. (And what's the point of being a darksider if she doesn't sometimes do things selfishly?)

"What have you decided?"

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"That I'm not going to let anyone else choose my path."

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 It looks good on her.

"And so you free yourself," she says approvingly.

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"If you want to put it that way."

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"I strove to be free throughout my life, yet it wasn't until well after my death that I chose my own path. 'How to be free' is something I have tried to show my apprentice. It is... Good to see you already stepping onto that path."

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"Well. Thanks."

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She leans against the wall near Elesse, posture and presence in the Force more relaxed than Elesse's felt so far. "Do you have any questions for me?"

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"What sorts of questions are you willing to answer?"

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"...Nothing that would endanger my apprentice. Some of the questions about my personal life..." She goes quiet for a long moment, before: "There's certain details I'd rather not share - names, mostly. I can answer most other questions, and I can try to be straightforward if I decline to answer."

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"That seems fair. Um. I should probably ask first about Plagueis."

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Hum. "If knowing his identity leads you to my apprentice's, would you use that to harm her?"

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"No, I won't."

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"Alright." 

"His name is Hego Damask. He is the Magister of Damask Holdings, an associate of the InterGalactic Banking Clan. His Master was Darth Tenebrous, also known as Rugess Nome, a wealthy starship designer. There are a few branches of the Line of Bane currently active - I've been monitoring them, and they are of little consequence. Plagueis has a large allied network, however, though his greatest threats stem from his skill and power in the Force - he is the only living true master of the dark side, and the scattering of disciples and half trained apprentices has not diminished that advantage. He will see any threats to him from the Jedi coming, no matter how well those efforts are concealed."

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"How do you plan to defeat him?"

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"Through my apprentice."

"I can't directly act against him, but my ability to gather information is unparalleled. We're working on disabling his support structures, while my apprentice trains and grows in power - and the Jedi will be useful for taking out his support, as well as for mitigating undesired consequences."

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"Is that why Fidela herded the acolyte to me?"

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"Yes - we figured he was the most likely to flip on Plagueis, and even if he didn't it'd hopefully put the Jedi on alert."

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"I don't know if the Council is going to believe it enough to really do anything."

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"I know."

"But hopefully over time, the evidence will build up enough - and even a few individual Jedi would be more support than we've had."

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"I can offer that, maybe."

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"Thank you."

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Hmm. She doesn't, uh, know what to say next...

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Vader doesn't mind sitting here quietly - or she can talk about the Force, or about the history she knows...?

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Elesse wouldn't mind hearing about Vader's perspective on history.

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She's had an observer's perspective for the vast sweep of it, and she also has had access to archives long since lost - she can speak in detail on the history of the Jedi and Sith alike, recounting events both grand and small, stretching from the Great Hyperspace War all the way to the modern era - with digressions into the many events that occurred before the Sith and Jedi encountered one another. (She even mentions, off handed, having once spoken with another ghost who dated from roughly the end of the Rakatan Infinite Empire, as part of a brief tangent into how the Force was understood before the rise of the Jedi Order. She also mentions the records of the original Sith species, before they were conquered by Dark Jedi, as part of the same tangent.)

(She'll speak for as long as Elesse will let her, starting with grand sweeps before drilling into specifics.)

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Elesse is fascinated and is easily going to let this take the rest of her day. (Does Vader mind if she takes notes?)

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Not at all!

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Cool. She'll need to be careful with storing them but that can be a later-Elesse problem.

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They would be awkward to explain, especially if Elesse can't find citations in the library...

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Don't think she won't be looking up citations anyway, though.

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Vader encourages that, actually - it's good to verify sources and to have multiple perspectives on an issue. There's some philosophical texts and primary sources the Jedi should have access to that she can recommend, actually, as ways to find complementary or contradictory viewpoints...

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Fair enough.

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(Elesse's a delight to teach, she's learning.) (She doesn't say that out loud, but the broad sentiment might be deducible from the warm fondness she isn't making much effort to hide.)

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Then everyone's having fun.

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The perfect situation to teach in.

Speaking of teaching, Vader is content to keep going until Elesse's Master returns.

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Elesse set an alarm when she realized how engaging this was going to be, so they can wrap up before Breha is set to get back.

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Should she depart then?

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Yeah. So she's not distracted.

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Alright.

Does Elesse want to set a date for their next encounter?

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Tonight? Maybe in a couple days, she'll have more free time.

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That works. 

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Until then.

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She'll be looking forward to it.

(She fades out.)

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Darth Fidela, elsewhere, is curled up in her apartment's library, feet tucked under a heavy quilt, a pad propped up on her knees as she reads some of the philosophy homework her Master assigned her. 

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Vader appears beside her, glancing down at her reading. 

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"Master." She doesn't startle, instead briefly tilting her pad so Vader can see her ongoing work - both the book and the open tab she's taking notes in. She looks up at Vader then. "How'd your talk with the little Jedi go?"

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"She isn't that much younger than you, you know, and I believe she's a bit taller."

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"It went well, then?" Vader wouldn't be in this good of a mood if the little Jedi rejected her, she thinks. (She maturely elects to ignore the height comment.)

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"She said she isn't going to let anyone else dictate her path. We spoke for a while after that - mostly the history of the Jedi and Sith."

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"You mean you infodumped in her general direction for several hours?"

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"She took notes and asked questions, so it wasn't entirely an info dump."

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Her brief smile fades. 

 

"...Are you planning to take her as a disciple?" 

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"I don't think she's likely to fall." What right does she have to want Elesse to fall? "She's attached to the Jedi and their philosophy." (But is she, really?)

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"Oh, so it's normal for Jedi to listen to Sith Lords lecturing them about history?"

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"...I suppose not."

"If she did fall, though..." Anakin would need several days to scream by herself. "If she came to the dark side, would you object to me taking a second apprentice?"

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She scowls and tries to tamp down on the jealousy that's been bubbling up in her ever since she learned the (unfortunately cute) Jedi she'd been flirting with fighting could see her Master as well. "Why would you? She's just some Jedi."

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"Because she'd deserve training, too, and because I believe you'd like her."

(And because of several other reasons no amount of torture in the galaxy could make her reveal.)

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...Uncomfortable squirm.

"Ask again when I've gotten to know her," she grouches.

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"Alright."

"It's unlikely to come up, anyways - I'm not trying to make her fall, or even really lure her. Perhaps she's simply open minded; perhaps she thinks she can lure me all the way back to the light."

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"I'm not letting her steal you from me," Fidela says, sharply.

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Vader's hand and presence in the Force ghost over her hair. "Peace, apprentice. I'm much too old and settled in my ways for that." And with a teasing smile: "Besides, I even more highly doubt she'd be interested in a more intimate relationship, given my terms."

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Fidela blushes a bit - she still hasn't agreed to Vader's 'terms' for a romantic/ sexual relationship, but she thinks about it often enough. Still, she has to give at least as good as she gets, so she responds with: "I wouldn't mind that. She's cute, and she'd be cuter under your power."

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That earns her an embarrassed twist in Vader's emotions. "I already said I'm not going to seduce her, apprentice - to the dark side or anywhere else."

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"If it's seduction we're talking about, no need. I've got you covered."

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"I'll enjoy watching you try."

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And Fidela's Master accuses her of being a brat.

Sensing the conversion has run its course, she tilts her pad back towards Vader with a few questions about what she's been reading...

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Vader, it seems, has yet to exhaust her energy for teaching - she settles in next to Fidela, close enough they'd be nearly touching if she was made of flesh and blood, and she starts going through the text with her favorite apprentice. 

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Pleasantly cozy.

Fidela pushes herself to keep going, not wanting to miss a second of Vader's presence, until her heavy eyelids start blurring the text. 

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Vader pulls the blanket over her as she falls asleep, then adjusts her pillow to be more comfortable for her new position. 

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She drifts off feeling warm. 

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And Vader stays to watch her. 

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Several days later, she's still in a good mood as she returns to Elesse's side. 

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"You seem happy."

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"I enjoyed our talk last time, so I'm happy to be here. Training with my apprentice has also been going well..."

(Pleasure from interacting with Elesse was predictable. She hadn't... Anticipated, really, how much of a delight teaching Palpatine would be.)

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"Am I allowed to know what you do for training?"

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"Yes, if you'd like."

"We've been focusing on philosophy, lately, so I expect the training hasn't been anything too exciting or salacious - I've been giving her readings and a few essays to do, and we've been discussing things. She's a brilliant young woman." Warm fond glow.

"Her physical training and training in the Force are proceeding nicely as well - since I obviously can't spar directly with her, I've had her sign up for a few different civilian martial arts classes - using the Force in those without anyone noticing has been another form of training all its own. On top of more open Force exercises and assorted obstacle courses under my supervision, of course." With a teasing smile: "She's taken a liking to parkour."

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Elesse makes a face. "I noticed that."

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"Not a sport you favor?"

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"Not when someone's using it to run away from me!"

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"You don't enjoy races, then?"

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"Not when it's against a suspect and I'm on the clock. That's work."

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"But it'd be different off the clock?"

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"It'd be a different context, at least."

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"I'll tell her to minimize the flirting when you're on Jedi business."

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"Implying we'd ever meet not on Jedi business?"

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"Well, it's a matter of perspective whether 'motivating her to seek you out off the clock' counts as a downside."

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"I'll reserve judgement until it happens." Elesse should not tell Vader that her endorsement is a point in favor.

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"I'll keep an eye on things when it does."

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"...Are you expecting something to go wrong?"

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"It's more that I expect to enjoy watching."

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"Oh. I see."

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"You're both fine young women."

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"I'll reserve judgement on that, too."

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"Alright."

"Of course, it'll be difficult for you two to meet while you're still confined to the Temple..." 

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"Probably I'll be able to at least go out into the city on my own recognizance in a week or so. Even if offworld will take longer than that."

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"Coruscant isn't difficult to visit, at least."

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"So you can reassure your apprentice it won't give away her base of operations too much."

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"She'll appreciate that, true."

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Smile.

"Anyway, I found some documents in the archives about some of what we were talking about last time-"

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She has even more thoughts (and far more knowledge than can be imparted in one day, no matter how long) on that, of course...

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Another productive day, then.

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Vader stays as long as Elesse wants again.

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She could get used to this kind of attention.

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(It isn't something she gets from her own Master?)

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Master Breha... hm. How to say it. She usually has a goal in mind with their time together.

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Hmmm...

Vader's primary responsibility is to her apprentice - but if Fidela and Elesse can get on opposite sleep schedules, she could come more often, at least for a few hours...

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It's not really that big a deal. She doesn't need to go out of her way.

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She does enjoy speaking with Elesse, though. 

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Far be it from Elesse to say she can't, then.

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(Soft smile.)

Are evenings convenient?

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Most of the time. Presumably Vader is capable of surreptitiously checking.

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She is, yes.

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Elesse wouldn't mind seeing her more often. Y'know. If she's not otherwise busy.

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She can guarantee most evenings, then come when she isn't otherwise occupied? Including planning longer stretches perhaps once a week? (Her apprentice does need some time for solo work, after all, and there's only so much useful spying to do on Plagueis.)

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Sounds good.

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On the subject of future meetings... Is there anything Elesse wants to learn besides history?

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Maybe... they could discuss some philosophy?

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She considers herself well versed in that as well, fortunately - and it could dovetail nicely with the history lessons at times. Philosophical thought has changed quite a bit over the millennia, and she believes it's important to view philosophical movements in their proper historical context...

"Though, do you have a specific question right now?"

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"Not a specific one, really."

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"Do you want an overview of what philosophical movements I'm well versed in? Or... It is about when most people go to sleep. I can return tomorrow evening, when you've had a chance to go through the library and think."

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"Tomorrow. I should sleep."

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"Alright; sleep well." She begins to fade out. 

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Elesse spends much of the next day (when her time isn't already scheduled for) in the library, brushing up. She doesn't want Vader to be able to catch her off-guard easily.

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(She does her own bruising up - her eons of experience works best for teaching when combined with primary sources, after all, and she didn't pay much attention to some things previously. (She is only somewhat cheating on how she's engaging with said primary sources; there's a lot of advantages to briefly unanchoring herself from this one manifestation in this one fragment of spacetime, after all.))

Vader appears as soon as Elesse's fully settled in her quarters that evening, leaning slightly against a wall near Elesse.

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"Okay, just so we're both on the same page, you're not allowed to talk me into falling to the dark side tonight."

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"You said your determination is to not let anyone else choose your path, earlier; I won't do anything to contradict that." Also she doesn't want to make Elesse fall, doesn't want to corrupt her. Well she does but she shouldn't. "Tonight or in the future."

"I won't lie about the dark side, nor the Sith, either to make them look worse or better - but I won't discuss them directly unless you ask, how about? And I could change the topic if I sense you feeling conflicted about a line of inquiry?"

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"That sounds fair. I do want to, um, understand how you think."

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"Including wider Sith philosophy, or just my personal opinions?"

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"Both, I think."

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"I'd like to start with a historical overview, then, to give a... Scaffold, let's say."

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"Scaffolds are good. Context is important."

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"Alright."

"The basics, first: the Sith Code was originally penned sixty nine hundred years ago by Sorzus Syn, a Jedi who was exiled after the Hundred Year Darkness following the Second Great Schism. She was an influential philosopher in her day, and she saw a need for a new mantra to unify the Jedi exiles in their opposition to the Jedi Order. She therefore wrote it in conversation with the Jedi Code, and it should be read as such - failing to acknowledge that has been a major blind spot of Jedi leadership through the years. The fact that it directly responds to the Jedi Code is part of why it's appealing to Jedi at risk of falling."

"In my opinion, it shouldn't be treated as a rule, but as a tool for meditation and reflection. That is true of Sith philosophy in general; while Sith organizations have been usually coercive, the philosophy taken at its face encourages individualism and independence of thought. The Code also should be treated as the nearly seven thousand year old poem that it is - it's been translated many times, and even minor literal translations can greatly change the meaning, just by different connotations of the words involved. 'Peace' has been one of the most contentious single words through its history, in terms of both translation and interpretation - the original word generally meant, when used in poetical or philosophical contexts, a state of perfect quiet and stillness, as driven by an absence of conflict - it was actually the same word from the Jedi code that currently gets translated as 'serenity,' as indicated by its contrast with 'passion.' Its current primary translation as 'peace' reflects the increasing emphasis on the sense of 'absence of conflict' by the Sith over the years, which began even in Syn's day and was fully realized by the time of the Old Sith Wars, when much of the Sith philosophical 'canon' crystallized. There have, however, been several schisms even since then centered on disagreements over translation and interpretation of the Code as a whole, as well as over which works should be considered canonical versus apocryphal versus fully heretical, or in a few particularly spicy heresies over whether there even is a canon proper - I suppose you could say I'm a member of one of those heresies."

"The code, in its current most common translation into Basic, is as follows:"

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

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"I can see how it rhymes- and why it might sound appealing."

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"It isn't for everyone, and it's incredibly easy to turn to ill ends."

"It's easy to blame others for their chains, to decide they deserve whatever they get. It's easy to reject any bounds on your worst impulses, even your own conflicting desires; it's easy to decide that the desires 'society' approves of least are in turn the least likely to have been imposed upon you, and therefore the most authentic. It's easy to value the short term pursuit of passion over the long term pursuit of freedom. It's easy to gain power by taking it from others. It's easy to see negotiation as deception."

("But even as it's easy to see the pursuit of peace as the pursuit of a quiet oppression - it's very easy, in turn, for the pursuit of quiet oppression to disguise itself as the pursuit of peace. The peace of the Republic has rather often been won by the silence of the marginalized.")

"But... The easy path is also rarely the correct path."

"In my personal life..."

"Selfishness is toxic to both an individual and their society, except for when it is necessary - I was never allowed to be truely selfish, whether I trained under the Jedi or the Sith. Always the desires of those greater than me constrained me. Selflessness proved just as toxic as selfishness. I did not know how to stand on my own, how to even acknowledge my passions, let alone pursue them. I needed to learn to live for myself - and it wasn't until I embraced true selfishness that I found reasons to be kind, beyond a childish desire for my Jedi Master's approval, or an equally childish rebellion against the Master of my childhood. I care about freedom; I care that all sapients attain their freedom, their self actualization, whatever that might look like. However, this, too, has its trap, in the assumption that one might know another's path - perhaps even the assumption that one can know one's own path is a trap in itself."

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"It seems like a general hard problem to have an- organizational level philosophy or ethos that works for everyone or even most people. Because people are different, with different values and different ways of responding to the same proposal. Some need strict structure, others need to be left on their own entirely. So I can see where- if you're designing that philosophy from the ground up, you decide which direction you want more of your, um, failures for lack of a better word, to fall. The old Sith obviously didn't want to fall back into being Jedi, which informed their Code and how they started to interpret it, and the Jedi have been doing sort of the same thing in reverse, they don't want their members to become Sith. This doesn't work all the time but like I said, I don't know if there's anything that could even work all the time."

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"It's... Difficult. And from what I've seen of history, many attempts to fix it just make it worse."

"And yes, the Sith and Jedi's philosophies have been in conversation since the inception of the Sith Order. They aren't quite mirrors of each other, but... The failings of one are usually the strength of the other, in ways that truly distinct systems wouldn't experience."

"In my opinion... It's impossible overall to have one philosophy that'll fit every Force user. It's... Never actually been tried yet to have multiple truly separate, fully legitimate organizations of Force users within one wider political or geographical system larger than the scale of a single solar system."

(It'll be tried in the future, of course, even a million years will utterly dwarf the entire complicated arc of Jedi and Sith history - and a trillion will make a tiny speck out of the full history of galactic civilization. She can't exactly explain political theory rooted in examples that haven't happened yet, though.)

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"Huh. That's... a weird thing to think about."

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"What part?"

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"The multiple organizations part. The Jedi are a little, uh, all-encompassing in terms of things we do."

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She nods. "It leaves few options for those who don't fit in." 

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"But at the same time, there are many ways to be a Jedi, and you don't have to leave everyone behind to do something else."

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"There are limits to that 'something else,' though, including using the dark side."

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"Or like, indiscriminate murder. Not that I'm saying those are the same thing, just, there always have to be some limits."

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"Of course. But is it wise or fair for their price to be the same?" 

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"Maybe not. But you'd have to do a lot of work changing culture and demonstrating that there can be a difference before that's practical."

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She nods. "Easier to do with a distinct group, I believe."

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"Sure. And starting one has its own problems."

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"Perhaps I and my apprentice will make useful progress."

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"Fighting an uphill battle by keeping the name 'Sith' in the mix."

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"The increased legitimacy with current dark side cults might balance that out, however." 

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"I kind of hope there aren't as many of those."

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"...There always are, and there always will be - absent efforts as thorough and extensive as the Rakata's. It's... For the better, actually, even when those cults are toxic - you can't suppress the dark side by removing darksiders, and it's an incredibly bad idea to succeed."

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"Why so?"

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"The Force is complicated, and it's... Difficult to explain in a way a living mind can grasp. I'll try, though."

"For this portion... Imagine for a moment a sphere composed of several liquids. The surface is cool, viscous, and as such moves slowly. It's very easy to track its currents, and it forms a crust. Far under it lies another layer - far hotter, under much greater pressure, dense but wishing to expand. Like magma, it will vent through whatever cracks in the surface present themselves to it, with a force determined by the underlying pressure that's built up, and by the size of the crack. Except for these outbursts, its currents can only be measured indirectly."

"Now, what happens when there are numerous scattered, moderately sized vents? When there are many significant vents, but they are clustered? When there are a single digit number of great and a diffuse scattering of minor vents?"

"Then, what happens to the surface above if there are no vents?"

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"An explosive breach?"

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"Yes. It's part of what brought down the Infinite Empire - the Rakata essentially sought to remove all currents, all imperfections in the Force beyond what they commanded, creating the equivalent of a perfect sphere without weak points that could become a new vent, and without paths through which the surface could move. It created a rupture throughout the Force, both dark and light, destroying all of their Force-dependent technology."

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"Huh... I was aware they'd vanished but- not like that."

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"I can direct you towards a few ruins that contain hints, including the records they kept of their campaign to control the Force, as well as some Sith archives including archeological investigations... But most of this is from a rather deep understanding of the Force, which there are sources outside of me for, but which my main source is a combination of 'personal experience' and 'communicating with other ghosts.'"

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"Don't know when I'll have time for independent investigation, but I'll take the citations."

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She'll give them! Including a warning of: "Let me know when and if you're going - many of these areas are dangerous, and I can further guide you once you're there."

"It's alright if you want to take your time, too, or leave them be. After all, my apprentice would be rather put out if you got the first crack at some of the archives..."

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"That kind of makes me want to make those a priority."

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"Well, if you want her to declare you her eternal rival..."

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"Perhaps it would be character-building."

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"It'd also provide an excuse for her running into you more often..."

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"Does she need one?"

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"Depends on what questions you want the Jedi asking."

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"She's not going to be subtle enough they won't notice? After all the grief she was giving about not exposing her..."

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"Your Master might notice some statistical improbabilities eventually..."

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"Depends if she's going to make every meeting an Incident, I guess."