"Paper's good. Spellsilver'll go farther at the same weight and less bulk."

"I havn't heard of that."

"Do you guys not use it for magic items? What do you use?"

"We don't have magic items?"

"...but you have magic?"

Lucien nods.

"Weird. Well, if you don't have it you don't have it. Paper is good, surfacer food is good if you wanna trade it for mushrooms."

Nod.

"Do you want anything I have with me, other than my notebook?"

"The pens are tempting too. How do you refill them?"

"They're disposable and pretty cheap, especially if you buy in bulk."

"So you don't refill them? Can you?"

"No, not these. As far as I know."

"Huh. I am still interested in them but less. I'm also tempted by the food thing but I try to avoid overspending on luxury snacks so I would not really want to pay you what it's worth and can probably flip it for more, unwrapped."

Nod. She can have all the aforementioned items.

"Is this going to be enough for you to buy me a ladder. And uh, for you to escort me with the ladder to the portal."

"I'm not going to be much help at carrying the ladder. How strong are you?"

"Not very. I think I could carry a ladder from my world that far by myself but possibly your ladders are much heavier."

"They'll be made of bones."