"I'm trying to imagine sourcing an Elf for it but I don't think that would work particularly well either..."

"Oh?"

"I like Elves fine but they would have some trouble trying to govern humans. Maybe it'd work after a steep learning curve."

"If we can't get immortality sorted a steep learning curve with an Elf might be more convenient than having to figure out not just a successor but a succession procedure."

"If summoning can be made to work in your world that might sort immortality on its own. In mine you skip Limbo and become a daeva if you summon while alive."

"Huh. - we should probably check that before we make many plans, it affects a lot of them..."

"Find some dying people and have them summon, then."

"If summoning works at all."

"Have them try," Cam amends.

"Alright. Can you show me what the circle's supposed to look like?"

"They vary. Bindings? Intricate enough that if you drop your notes it'd be hard to reproduce?"

"I can enchant my notes so no one else can read them, that part shouldn't be a risk. If we do it without bindings we might accidentally get a bunch of people killed, yes?"

"Circles can summon random people or specific people; if you wanted an example of the latter I could just make it specify someone I know, although on general principle you should have some basics on there anyway."

"I would love to grab someone you know, that sounds easiest by far."

"If it's a demon they'll be pleasantly surprised by any binding that doesn't include a gag, even."

"You mentioned earlier that people didn't let you talk. I would like to note that that's appalling. No gag."

"They think we'll talk them out of their souls." Summoning circle drawn mini on a piece of paper.

"Can you?"

"Talk them into offering, sometimes, collect, no."

"There're spells that supposedly affect souls but no one's sure."

"To supposedly do what?"

"Uh, one way of attaining immortality purportedly works by ripping your soul in half and putting one half in an object and hiding it, so you don't die unless the object's destroyed. But there are other explanations for how that could work."

"Quendi chips are colloquially 'souls' but they work in a supposedly physicalist way."

"Those demons can presumably steal just fine, right?"

"I assume so but it's possible we couldn't take them back to Hell, same way we can bring hamsters but not people."