...Ooh, hadn't thought of that. We were definitely going to assume he was being nice and pretending it wasn't so before too much longer.

Most people probably would but - if there were some way to communicate that faster -

Yeah.

I wonder if things'll change with time. 

I think it's likelier than I did before I knew about Maitimo.

I actually think he might push harder for change if he wasn't hiding anything.

Well, I previously had no reason to expect that the amount of pushing was greater than none.

Fair enough. I'll point that out to him, I think he might not have realized how it'd look to people wondering if he cares.

I think wondering is the wrong word. Caring is--mostly not a thing anyone does.

Sure, but it's Maitimo, I expect him to be on top of lots of things no one else has given any thought.

True.

And maybe lots of people care privately, who'd know?

I feel like if that were the case there would be less pressure to go to Lorien whenever someone gets caught but maybe.

I also don't have a good guess as to what rate of people have problems in the first place.

Yeah.

Used to imagine that perhaps it was all of them. Sigh.

If it was literally everyone one might hope we would have had more doubts when the Valar laid down their opinions on the topic.

I don't think it is, but I'm not sure that necessarily would have changed anything. If people thought they were alone -

True. Well. We live in the society we live in, I suppose.

And in a long long time maybe it'll change.

Yeah. We've got forever.

That's the only thing that makes me hesitate - wishing that in a hundred thousand years maybe things would change and - but it's how the universe works, even if Elves and Valar changed we still couldn't marry.

It does seem slightly premature to say that Valar definitely couldn't change that if they wanted to, considering they have never wanted to.

It was that way before we met them, though, it's not something they did.

Yeah. I'm not saying they definitely could, but reembodiments aren't a thing that happens without them either. I think there's still a lot about them we don't really know.