Chelcon goes to see Les Mis
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What? No! Absolutely wrong! Rebellions are extremely Good when rebelling against Hell and terrible otherwise.

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Rebellions are probably a good threat to have to make anyone sinking toward the Asmodean's level cut it out. But this one seems kind of ill-considered and premature for whatever it is they are angry about.

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The revolutionaries honor Eponine as the first to fall for their cause and declare that her death will not be in vain. Valjean, in disguise as a soldier, arrives at the barricade and tells the revolutionaries that he wants to help. The revolutionaries are mistrustful, but ultimately accept his help and give him one of the long sticks. They point out Javert to him as a warning about what will happen if he betrays them.

The French army attacks, but the revolutionaries successfully drive them away. In the process, Valjean kills a sniper who was targeting Enjolras. Enjolras starts to thank him, but Valjean tells him that he can repay him another way and asks Enjolras to hand Javert over to him. Enjolras agrees.

Valjean takes Javert away. Javert expects Valjean to kill him, but instead Valjean cuts loose his bonds and attempts to release him. Javert accuses Valjean of trying to steal his own life and freedom by sparing Javert's life, and declares that he will keep pursuing Valjean, even if Valjean releases him. Valjean tells Javert that he's wrong about what kind of person he is, insists on setting Javert free even if he continues to pursue him, and gives him his home address.

Javert leaves. Valjean fires his stick into the air to deceive the revolutionaries into believing he's killed Javert.

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You've hungered for this all your life
Take your revenge
How right you should kill with a knife

She's on the edge of her seat, waiting for Valjean to do it, to plunge his knife into the man who's spent so many years chasing him, who sided with a rapist over Fantine, who tried to side with the Evil nobles to get the revolutionaries killed—

You talk too much
Your life is safe in my hands

—she doesn't understand

—and it sort of sounds like he's saying Javert hasn't really done anything that bad, and maybe that could be true, only she's trying to think back through everything Javert has done and her head won't stop spinning, she can't imagine just letting him go— 

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It really seems as if Valjean could have saved everyone a lot of trouble if he had developed principles of the legitimacy of enforcing the law at any previous point.

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Good, and Law. Law without Good is confused, rigid, and rudderless when anything complicated happens; Good without Law cooperates smoothly but sometimes causes itself trouble. It's obvious where this ends, if not the details, or what it will say about the excessive Chaos of the revolutionary students who seem to be trying for Good but mostly landing Chaotic Neutral.

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Why is... Javert... better to have alive than... a basically randomly-selected soldier on the opposite side... of the conflict you have chosen to join on the side of the rebellion for no discernible reason at all... if you're going to kill a man to get a prisoner exchanged they'd better be more valuable than the guy you kill! Ideally, valuable toward some actual strategic aim. What, is Valjean just mindlessly aping the thing with the bishop since that was so salutary for him (or at least it seemed to be until he started joining poorly planned insurrections on a whim) and Javert is the only person who's aggressed against him personally so that's the only way he can do it? Valjean, the bishop did not have to MURDER anyone to give you candlesticks. Also maybe you should be doing this with Thénardier instead? Thénardier seems bent on material profit and not violence! Also you gave him a bunch of stuff and then later he came back for more! It's much more analogous!

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Yeah, she no longer cares about any of these idiots anymore. Cannot relate, would have run into the woods after killing the man who was hunting her. Or possibly just outlived him, as she actually did, but she supposes humans don't have that benefit. Why is there a revolution?? Is this all of the knowledge that civilization needs to riot? No wonder they do it so much...

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Eeeeeeeeeee~~~~

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Wow, way to fuck with Javert's head, man, nicely done.

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WHY did you not run away with your daughter somewhere safe.

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That instruction seems to reflect a conceptual confusion of some kind.

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The church whose associated holy symbol is the cross is a stupid church and an incoherent church and I'm not sure it's making the world better but you sure could tell it whatever you'd done and have them forgive it.

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You can do that with Iomedae's Church!!!

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Can too. Admittedly it would go slightly differently but you in particular could absolutely do it.

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I could - frame everything so that it fit their categories nicely, because I am a very good liar. That's different. It'd work, sort of, probably, but it's different. 

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Well if you want to go track down cross-god in Nirvana and get spiritual counseling we can do that.

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No, no, that's not the same thing at all. Any Good god will pat you on the head and tell you that they love you if you go to them for spiritual counseling. The thing about cross-god is the habit of doing it while people are your enemies on the Material where it matters.

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That is indeed a feature of cross-god, or at least its representatives in this opera. You think it's a good feature?

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Obviously not. But I don't like Good much so I don't have to care whether it's a Good feature or not.

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If it's compelling to formerly Asmodean people that seems like a way it might be Good, actually, even if it seems....very incoherent.

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