Against, but mostly out of loyalty to the Archduchess.

It will serve. For.

As she understands it, this is a cap on the horrible ways that the civilized can kill each other, not a requirement to do aforementioned horrible things. Voshrelka avoided Asmodean justice even more than she avoided Arodenite justice, but she's seen enough of its horrors to want it to have some kind of cap. There's absolutely nothing stopping another law from coming in and removing the torturous options the paladins are flinching at later. This just prevents the law from doing things like 'trapping rats inside a man's belly to eat their way out' or some other horrifically wasteful thing that mistreats beings that had nothing to do with the proposed justice of the condemned.

For.

So the archduchess wants a list of punishments that are soft, and the duke wants one that are... squishy. Not soft but not really hard either.

Eh, he'll take either but he'd rather this one. And better not to leave all the old punishments in place, that was a mess even when it wasn't messy.

For.

They're certainly not going to use Andoran rules... which honestly creep Sergi out, a bit, though he sees the virtue in them. So he'd rather have the one the paladins and archdukes are for.

Against.

Passes, 264-141.

Why did that pass more narrowly than the amendment to throw criminals to the lions?? 

Because Chelish people see execution and sentencing as spectacle. I told you this explicitly, Jonatan.

The lions amendment wouldn't have even done anything without the rest of the law!

Absent specific encouragement from Morgethai, would this result have been enough to prompt him to greater involvement on the convention floor? ...He's not sure. It's not as if the Lord-Marshal didn't explain to everyone that torture was Evil. It might depend on whether the issue was that people didn't believe the Lord-Marshal or didn't care?

Maybe he can talk to Elorri about giving his standard sermon to the convention hall; it seems like a low-cost way to reach a large number of people whose understanding of Goodness is likely to be highly relevant, and he thinks this would have been enough to prompt him to think of it even without Morgethai's involvement.

...That might be good? If most people got the wrong answer there, she might not be in as much trouble if she gets the wrong answer somewhere else. 

He claps and cheers!

At last the convention did something useful! No more boring executions! "Woo!! The games are back!!!"

"You know what they used to do in Ostenso is Firedays it'd be all girl prisoners, and they'd all be naked. Best show of the week. ...with the riots maybe there are enough girl prisoners we could do Oathdays and Firedays."

...Wow, what the fuck! Maybe she should have voted down the version with the games after all!!!

She wants to figure out what Andoran did about this - maybe they can copy it - but they were just told in no uncertain terms to stop doing international diplomacy and it'll look like she's defying that if she goes to Andoran to ask a bunch of questions about reforming ex-Asmodeans through public events.

"I heard they used to auction the winner off to the highest bidder for a night, do you know if that's true?" he says to the guy from Ostenso.

"No, no, that was a different game, it was called 'buy or die', they'd bring out a girl on a plank above the lion pit and name a price and you got to say if you'd buy her at that price or not, and if not you'd bounce the plank to knock her in. I did it once! She was hot but I didn't actually have enough money to buy anyone."

"Well, if they bring back the all-chick games I think they should auction off the winner. I mean, what else are you going to do, feed her to the lions? Seems like a waste."

"I'm just glad we're doing real stuff now instead of all the stupid stuff that doesn't matter."

"Hell yeah."

All she wanted was for people who deserved to suffer to hurt the way they hurt other people, not whatever that is — she feels a little sick — why does politics have to be so complicated, she misses being able to do things that are just straightforwardly, uncomplicatedly right, where she can feel their rightness blazing in her soul, only last time she tried she almost got executed for it — she wants to memorize those men's faces, maybe she can track them down once the convention is over and they won't just come back, only she's at the wrong angle and all she can see is the backs of their heads — maybe the lions can do some good after all, that man would certainly deserve it if they ripped him apart, after what he did to that poor girl — why was there an amnesty—

Now they can make Valia Wain and her confederates die slowly and horribly for what they did and hopefully go to Hell! He gives Cerdanya an appreciate smile as the man returns to his seat.

Why did she go up and give a speech. That was dumb. It was never gong to work. Anyone with power will do terrible things to people if they can. Expecting this particular group to be different was pathetic.

At least she was smart enough to not be obvious about who she was. The only things that were visible were the letters. That still might be more risk than she should have taken? She'll have to find a more secure way to hide them when she gets back to the abbey.

Hell yea! Turns out the paladins can’t ban having fun forever.