Indeed. Good luck.

"Thanks!"

And she teleports to Taniquetil. Hi Valar she is Elspeth here to do this thing would they like her to do the thing?

They would.

Here goes thing!

Oh.

That is very useful. Wow, Númenor was a big error. They had already learned not to do that again but now they know why. Also they have learned their lesson about pardoning mass murderers and will never ever do that again, promise.

Well actually the peal was hoping to take some mass murderers off their hands. They will not let them commit mass murders, though, that's frowned upon.

Nope! Lesson: learned. Mass murderers stay safely locked away even when convincing promises that no more mass murders will occur are proffered!

They are aware that there are substantial relevant differences between "Ainur who are totally up to something and are totally evil in lots of universes" and "Elves who are under oath which can be removed and are usually nice people"?

See, everyone seems like nice people to them. That's why they need rules like 'don't pardon mass murderers even if they seem nice'. And it doesn't seem fair to judge people based on versions of them in different universes.

Why not? Evidence suggests that Ardas except the evil one and to an extent the Space one, neither exception applying here, all go the same way unless something happens.

Yes. So, take this random person who followed the Fëanorians into Doriath and Sirion. When not ordered to commit any mass murders he doesn't. When so ordered he does. It seems convenient to say 'well, he usually doesn't get those orders, so even when he gets and follows them he should be pardoned'.

Okay. How are the Valar on the concept of disproportionate punishment. She understands that at least some of them thought eternal imprisonment was a bit much for Melkor f'rinstance.

Yes but it turns out they were wrong about that.

Yeah. They were relying on a faked oath and easily circumvented supervisory measures. The problem isn't "pardon mass murderers and then acausal voodoo happens".

They consult.

Three Ages seems like an appropriate prison term for mass murder. Then if they can be sure enough of their supervisory measures they can parole the mass murderers.

The purpose in the term being deterrence or retribution or sounding reasonable to people who want to know what they're doing with the mass murderers or what?

Their victims should feel safe. If they are gallivanting around their victims might not feel safe. After three Ages their victims will probably have had time for healing.

"Off their hands" does here mean "worlds away, probably disinclined as all get out to visit". Even their alts aren't visiting and they didn't even do the thing. The Vanda Nossëo Fëanorians like... never...? Almost never? go home to Elentári and they didn't do the thing and the thing was not done, there. Also the Maedhros in particular is probably just gonna want to cease to exist.

He does want that. Not allowed. Elves are supposed to exist forever. Also it'd make people sad and disrupt the bliss of Valinor.

That's fucked up.

They had this argument with Miriel ages ago. And eventually she wanted to stop being dead, which shows they are right.

Miriel's problem has via indiscreet tiny Fëanor been made known to Elspeth and since the Valar could not help her with the actual problem she was kind of in a rock and a hard place situation. If your options are in practice "Mandos" and "be alive, at least now it's impractical to carry out your stupid oath" this can easily say as much about the quality of Mandos's accommodations as anything else.

Well, Maedhros might have a prophecied role in the end of the world or something. So he can't die.

Yeah uh the prophecies may be safely considered shot to hell at this point.

They confer.

Okay, they'll kill him. Elspeth is right; it would be cruel not to.