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I'm working on it. The social aspect, that is, can't do much about the mind-altering. After the war. 

 

 

 

Anyway, if you exclude my terrifically evil having a boyfriend I am definitely not secretly evil.

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Yeah, he didn't think so. Maitimo does not really come off as a secretly evil sort of person. Taliar doesn't know him well enough to state that with absolute confidence, yet, but - the way he reacted to Taliar's arrival, the way he handles his empire... yeah. It is wildly unsurprising in retrospect that Taliar managed to fall in love with him in under a day.

In that case I have no explanation for why my soul isn't as excited about you as I am, which is a real pity because if it was that would seriously accelerate the power-gain timeline.

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Are there soul-exciting things I can do? I can work on healing logistics more - I got a lot of that handled this morning, but it's hardly all set already -

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Well, far be it from me to discourage you from working on healing logistics, it certainly excites me, but I honestly have no idea what you could possibly do that would get my soul to pay attention. It should be paying attention already! It's really confusing that it isn't! 'Secretly evil' was the best theory I had going and it was a terrible theory!

At least it doesn't seem to be making things awkward. It is very important that he be able to work with Maitimo and it would've been really unfortunate if falling in love with him had gotten in the way of that.

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I'm - going to need more than a day to disentangle 'overjoyed and deeply delighted you're here because this endless horror of a war will end' from 'overjoyed and deeply delighted you're here because I like how you think and what you care about' but it's definitely not going to be a problem in the meanwhile.

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That's - definitely one of the better ways he could have responded. Taliar decides to just not think about potential complications until Maitimo has had his more-than-a-day.

Okay.

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Do you want to hear our terrible and war-torn history next? Did anyone bring it up this morning?

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No, mostly it was mildly unsettling questions about how soul artifacts work. Do tell.

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So Eru - the creator of this world, he doesn't intervene in it very often but he's the one who adds new species occasionally and who enforces oaths - showed the Valar a vision of the world and sent them into it to make it. They did that, rather clumsily, because one of them - Melkor - really wanted the 'smoldering hellscape' aesthetic. They built lights, he knocked them down, they built valleys, he had glaciers eat them, they built ecosystems, he threw giant rocks at the place and caused extinction events, etcetera....

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Poor guy, having his artistic vision thwarted at every turn. The rest of them too. Maybe he should've been given his own planet, save them all the trouble of having to deal with each other.

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I have a sneaking suspicion Eru likes drama. But anyhow, eventually the Valar make this really nice world and two of them want to get married and they have a spectacularly magic Vala-wedding which Melkor crashes in the form of a literal supervolcano, and the Valar get fed up and retreat from the world to a magic portion of it they can keep Melkor out of. They make their new continent absolutely flawless and ignore the rest of the world entirely, except for Oromë who occasionally shows up to hunt the monsters Melkor's pumping out.

 

And then Eru puts Elves in the world. 

And Melkor finds us.

He takes prisoners, he breeds them and magically alters them to create the race of orcs, he tortures them, he subtly tweaks them and then sends them back just a little bit damaged, and then they either snap in the night and stab everyone around or else they start talking one tribe into war with another. Lot of wars. Ugly wars. We can't even blame them all on the Enemy, probably a lot of it was just people in scary and desperate circumstances. In the older generations everyone remembers raiding another tribe - kill the men and married women, that's how they did it - or being the victim of one of those, or both, several times -

 

- eventually Oromë wanders across us and finds out Elves exist. 

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People in scary and desperate circumstances do tend to go to war against each other even when this is going to end badly for everyone; witness the history of Taliar's own world. But wow, he really intensely dislikes Melkor. That is not at all an appropriate way to respond to the thwarting of one's artistic visions.

And what did Oromë do about you?

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Went to war with Melkor. The rest of the Valar, too. The war lasted two centuries and the whole world shook with it and when it ended the whole north of the world was uninhabitable. Melkor's monsters were still wandering freely, too. The Valar invited us all to come live in their idyllic paradise continent.

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I've heard only one thing about how that turned out but it does not make me think highly of the Valar's idyllic paradise continent.

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Most people thought it was a trap. A few people, including my grandfather, talked to the Valar and were willing to give it a try. So they went. To - to what we'd been used to - it was idyllic. There was enough food, enough water, there was light - this was before the Sun and Moon and after Melkor'd destroyed the Lamps, the rest of the world was lightless...there was no scarcity, there was magic healing, the Valar promised Mandos could bring back our dead.

 

My grandfather came back and united the Noldor - one of the, hmm, ethnic groups of Elves - and persuaded many of them to come to Valinor. The other two major ethnic groups did the same. In the end about half left, half stayed.

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And how'd they get from there to nonconsensual mental alteration?

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Well, the Valar'd designed themselves a paradise, and then they'd invited in a bunch of traumatized people used to war, and they were appalled by us. They had a lot of laws about acceptable conduct and they handled all the trials personally, and they were merciless - they just didn't understand - and eventually even decent people started covering up crimes, since the alternative was the Valar trying them with whatever disastrous results - they'd exile people from the continent, abandon them in the freezing hellscape parts of the continent, to their deaths, for crimes like theft or assault or blasphemy - 

- and then they came up with the idea of fixing all of us. So they did. Or tried. If you committed a crime they'd fix you. Once every yeni - he sends the concept, 144 Years - they'd correct everybody, just in case people had criminal thoughts they hadn't been caught acting on. And they weren't even very good at it - 

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What an utter fucking disaster. He can still sympathize with the Valar - they sound like they were bewildered and helpless and grasping at straws - but that doesn't excuse what they ended up doing.

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Yeah. They meant well, really, and I give them a lot of credit for fighting Melkor and stopping him the instant they learned what was going on, and then trying to invite us to their paradise - but they shouldn't have done it at all if they weren't going to be able to cope with a society that wasn't perfectly obedient and law-abiding.

 

And the promise Mandos could reembody people turned out to be hollow. Mandos would reembody people who'd consent to correction of all their faults, and practically no one was satisfactory. 

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Bet I can do reembodiments, when we get to the point where that's the next problem to be solved. And I am not going to try to "correct" anyone while I'm at it.

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Congratulations on being a better person than the gods, not that it's hard! Anyway, then the Valar parole Melkor.

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...They carried out mandatory mental corrections on the entire population in case of criminal thoughts, and then they paroled fucking Melkor?! What?

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He swore he'd been reformed! He somehow faked it, obviously, but he swore he'd seen the error of his ways and was wracked by horror at the evils he'd done and wanted the chance to undo them and, if he could be permitted to go free, would be the humble servant of everyone in Valinor. And they bought it. 

 

To be - extremely fair to them, which I don't usually bother doing - the orcs were all sworn to him, they were all going to be bound forever unless he told them that he now ordered them to go lead their own lives free, which he did...

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Okay, that does make more sense in context.

(He appreciates Maitimo being fair to the Valar. It may be more than they deserve, but if you're only fair to people who definitely deserve it you end up with, well, Valinor.)

Still, you'd think that out of all cases where they might try nonconsensual correction in case of criminal thoughts... or could they just not do it to him at all...?

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Couldn't. He's a Vala like them, they can't read his mind or tamper with it. Or vice versa, thankfully. 

 

Anyway, the next thousand years he's closely supervised and he lives in Valinor with us, being the humble servant of everybody.

 

 

And, obviously, determining the strings to pull to shove the Noldor into a civil war.

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