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This is going to be used by lords and rich people and they could instead just get over themselves. Against the bill, abstain on the rider.

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If whores and Calistrians and illiterate peasants are against this, that only makes it more sensible, not less. If they want to make it weaker so they can keep rioting as long as they can find some scrap of truth to cover themselves with, they should not be permitted to do this. Against the amendment, in favor of the law.

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Against both bill and rider, won't anyone think of the poor slanderers?

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In favor of the bill! And against the rider, to maximize the advantage he gets from his slander.

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"Privacy" is one of those nonsense human concepts - air is everywhere, life is everywhere, the gods are everywhere. Pretending otherwise ought to be blasphemy.

Yes to the amendment. 

No to the law, laws are usually bad.

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For the amendment, against the law. He got some good exceptions for important stuff, but it’s still not any of the crown’s business what someone says in town square. If someone’s lying about him or his family, he can deal with that himself. 

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This bill will put another pit trap in the edifice of the law that the unwary and unlucky and unpopular will fall into.

So what else is new.

Against (and against the rider too, if you're going to put a pit trap it should at least not cost extra court time to clear away the corpses and replace the covering), but, like, she doesn't care that much.

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In favor of the bill, against the amendment. The second choice was harder since being honest is a virtue, but you can just do that in private instead of rumormongering.

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The pamphlets were funny but we already banned them. Jordi isn’t the type to make speeches to crowds so he doesn’t care. Abstain.

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Blai is having a notably bad day, which, given the selection of days he has to his name, is a pretty strong statement. What does Iomedae want here. He doesn't know. She's not going to tell him. It does not seem in keeping with the spirit of the convention or the policies of his Church to just lean over and ask the nearest Glorious Reclaimer for the answer.

Abstain on the law, in favor of the rider.

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Lies are of Asmodeus, and... yeah, this's a fine place to take a stand against Asmodeus like people are supposed to be doing now.  In favor of the rider.

And then against the law, because he still really doesn't trust the lords or whoever they might have doing the judging.

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(The Glorious Reclamation paladins are in favor of the rider as people who all have to tell the truth at all times, and in favor of the slander laws because civilized places have slander laws.)

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In favor of the law, opposed to the rider.

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For the amendment about actually valuing honesty, in an attempt to limit the damage of this stupid law, but against this stupid law.

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In favor of the law.

The amendment? His liege lord proposed it, which he should take seriously. Yet in that proposal, that very liege lord made light of the collateral damage in the attack against him. By one account, they set upon his hosts chanting "Bring out the Thrune"; perhaps the servants would yet live without that pamphlet being published. Perhaps the attackers would not have damned themselves without that pamphlet being published. He would not spend their lives to buy public truth.

But also he frankly doesn't know why truth is a defense in private. He can invent reasons why public speech is worse, of course, but are they strong enough that the old law was right?

No god answers his prayer with thought or omen by the time voting concludes; he abstains. May the convention be wiser than I am, he thinks bitterly.

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In favor of the law. Abstaining on the rider, it seems like complicated trickery but he doesn't know which way.

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Against the rider, for the bill.

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Against the rider, for the bill. Voting with this many people is such a tedious process and he's not looking forward to the fact they have to go back to committees after this and get the rest of the agenda through.

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Against the rider! No one should be allowed to call him a Mammonite!

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He's against the rider, sounds like digging up the past to him. For the bill, of course.

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The amendment to allow all true speech in private and in public fails 255 - 271.

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....that's much closer than she expected. Huh.

 

Her vote came close to mattering. She's even more grouchy about that.

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Well, that was a bad decision on his part.

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Well apparently the convention was as conflicted as he was, even without personal loyalty weighing on their minds. He'll have to ponder that.

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