"No but I saw pictures."

"What's he like?"

"Golden? Powerful? Doesn't talk? Rescues too many kittens?"

"Kitties!"

He shrugs.

"I wonder if this place was always underwater."

"Could be Atlantis."

"Atlantis was a metaphor created by Plato to explain the dangers of hubris."

"One, hubris is good, two, what if Atlantis was real here?"

"Plato didn't say it looked anything like this."

"And how is hubris a good thing?"

"You can't do impossible things if you let them being impossible stop you."

"I don't think you quite know what that word means."

"Means being too self-confident, or proud, or challenging the gods, or nature. All good things!"

"How is bothering a widow who doesn't want to get married again for twenty years a good thing?"

"That's not hubris that's being a butt."

"Well that's what being hubristic is!"

"No it's not."

"Look, hubris is a complex concept from Greek religion, it isn't just trying to do the impossible."

"I know it isn't just trying to do the impossible, but I don't trust gods and don't like nature and don't think other people's rules are good enough so I'm gonna do better than all of them. Isn't this hubris?"

"Sorta. You should probably keep that in mind."

"Keep what in mind?"

"That you're sort of flying too close to the sun."

"That story is silly and it's about how wax is terrible at keeping wings together not about flying."

"But Icarus ignored his uncle's very good advice."