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"No, just makes us stronger in whatever way does suit us and match our needs and goals."

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"What about you, then, what'd he do for you?"

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"Taught us to fight so we could defend our families against Elves, taught us armor and weapons..."

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This is going in circles and I don't know what else to ask.
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So Maedhros turns away from the wall. "You can either give Promise your name - which will let her tell if you're lying to her - you can swear to answer truthfully for the next hour, or I can kill you now, which would you like?"

A moment of frightened silence from the orcs. Then one volunteers a name. It does not click. Maedhros sighs.
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She was hoping for coaching on ways to steer the conversation, not that -

"It has to be the first name you ever had."
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Another long minute of anxious quiet. Then a different orc, trembling, offers a name. That one clicks.

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"Answer me honestly. Has anything any of you have told me during this conversation been false as far as you know?"

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"I don't remember all of it, I was scared - sometimes Melkor does give people orders they don't like, and most orcs are sworn to him not just some."

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"Most? Which ones aren't?"

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"Babies who are too young to swear."

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"What would happen if one didn't want to?"

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"We'd explain why they should. They always do want to, it's like a rite of passage and you say it with all your friends."

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"What do you think would actually happen to me if I escaped here and went to Melkor?"

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"He'd be very interested in you. He'd probably try to convince you to work for him. If that didn't work he'd probably hold you prisoner. The Elves are doing that too, though, aren't they?"

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"What kind of conditions does he hold his prisoners in?"

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"He makes them work in the mines, usually."

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"What's he mining?"

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"Iron, coal. Mostly. I think. Orcs don't work in the mines usually."

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"Who does?"

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"Prisoners."

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"Where does he usually come by prisoners?"

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"When we conquer an Elf kingdom."

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"Is there a standard procedure for conquering an Elf kingdom?"

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"Some of the Maiar with powerful magic call down power to shake down the walls, and we surround it and take the Elves and march them back to Angband."

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