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She's not so sure about that. "I know. Why are you sworn to hate them, though? Isn't that unnecessary if they're going to do things like slaughter people doing laundry?"

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"We might forget. We don't want to forget."

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"Maybe you could just swear to remind each other periodically?"

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"That's a good idea."

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"Do you swear to do anything else or just hate them?"

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"Some people swear to serve Melkor. Some people swear to try to stop Elves from hurting us."

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"And serving Melkor seems to work out okay for the people who swear it?"

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"Without Melkor the Elves would have killed every orc a long time ago."

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"That doesn't quite answer my question."

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"I don't think Melkor's ever given an order I've heard of that I wouldn't want to follow. I guess maybe if someone wanted to run away instead of defending the wounded and the children, and they were ordered to stay firm and fight?"

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"Doesn't anybody learn to heal instead of fighting?"

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"Yes? But some injuries are too serious to help completely on the spot, and if Elves are still coming..."

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Nod. Sigh.

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"Melkor can teach you lots of magic. He's good at it, and if you stopped helping the Elves he'd want to help you."

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"Isn't he busy doing other things?"

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"He's a Vala, they can do hundreds of things at the same time. He's finishing making the continent safe for us but he'd still teach someone magic if they'd done something scary and hard like left the Elves."

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"What kind of magic?"

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"Shaping the world, making mountains, making new kinds of animals, I don't know what other kinds of things. You could ask him."

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Promise glances at Maedhros. She assumes she's going to get his take on this conversation later; she isn't sure how long he's going to let it go on or how he's tolerating its procession.

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He is expressionless and barely looking at him, though he does catch her eye when she looks in his direction, I am having this transcribed so you can look over it later and we can discuss it then. You may stay here all day if you like.

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"Even if he can do hundreds of things at once that still sounds like a lot of attention to be spending on me. I might not even be very useful."

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"It's not that you'd be useful to him, it's that he likes making people stronger and more capable."

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"Does he do that a lot?"

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Nods. "Like orcs, and werewolves, and tribes of Men, and his servants."

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"He teaches them all magic?"

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