"Yeah. - here someone who just can't go a spring without a baby just has one and gets in trouble their first spring, which is one thing, but in Voa you can get a - more pronounced sense of it because it doesn't run them into trouble right away."

"I assume surrogacy doesn't help sublimate some of this? Even if they time it so they don't stop being pregnant till summer?"

"Most people find it really unpleasant to give up a baby, enough so that it's worse than not having one at all - which is a good thing, otherwise we'd have no choice but to use Tapa's model -"

"Yeegh."

"Or find something that sterilizes people by default and they have to purchase the reversal, I've funded some research projects along those lines, but..."

"Humans have that."

"Is the reliability good enough, it has to be perfect..."

"No, neither the reliability nor the reversal is literally perfect. Daeva can patch that though."

"It's really the reversal that'd have to be perfect. Daeva patching might fix it, though." 

"Gametes on demand to spec."

"It's a really good thing Revelation didn't happen in Amenta but also daeva are amazing for us."

"T'Mir seems to have been elsewhere occupied."

"- how would that have spared us - oh. Oh.

Wow."

Tailswish.

"Good for you."

"Thank you."

"In that case Amentan Revelation would, I am sure, have been handled perfectly gracefully."

Giggle.

"That's a truly astonishing track record, you know, between you and T'Mir - billions of lives -"

"I know!"

"Mitros has good instincts."

"She invented an immortality spell that other people might be able to learn with enough drugs, she might beat us both eventually."

"Are you competing. That's adorable."

"It seems like a natural thing to do."

"It is very much a natural thing for you to be doing and that is adorable."