sad Cam in Milliways, with company
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"...and abandon them on a poorly infrastructured rock until the rest of your species learns not to freak out about them, or let demons make them places to go?"

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"And send supply shipments which they would not need to know were, uh, demon in origin."

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"At which point you have everything you want out of this interaction and no particular need not to forget about them six months out."

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"Except reputation with our disapproving neighbors. We might be resentful if they attack us for not allowing sibling marriage or for adopting out unauthorized children but we couldn't even complain if they went to war because we were demonstrably untrustworthy when it was slightly convenient."

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"I suppose that's practical."

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"If there turns out to be a shortage of planets I think it'll be worth discussing."

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"Demons can make those."

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"Are they among the species that'll have. uh, moral complaints with us?"

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"I'm a demon."

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"And we very much appreciate your not conquering the country over ethical complaints, but if we're going to be in touch with your societies it'd be good to know if that's typical."

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"I'm not a typical demon but I don't think any demons who have moral sensibilities will except them for the reds."

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"My question here is at how much risk we'd be putting our people. So it's not - how they'd feel about it - but whether they'd start a war."

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.........sigh. "Safely summoning people involves putting restrictions on their behavior so they can't do that unless you fuck up."

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"In that case it sounds like it'd be great to be in touch with more demons."

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Ugh. Sigh.

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"Is there anything else I can answer for you-"

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"Probably but I don't know what to ask and I don't care to leave this bar to go investigate on my own."

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"We can consult and write something up and you can interrupt us if you think of something?"

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"Better than nothing."

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Off they go and sit and talk quietly and occasionally take notes.

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Cam quietly researches their planet and their neighbors, by conjuration since they could bypass him entirely if they talked to Bar and he'd sort of rather gatekeep.

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Their planet: population thirteen billion and a bit, a very low but nonzero growth rate agreed upon by international treaty. At peace, currently. Mostly democracies; there's a smattering of small countries with monarchies. Everyone weights the votes so blues count more and purples less. Reds can vote in six countries, though it looks like usually their ballot arrangements get disrupted or delayed or lost. Almost everybody is creepily authoritarian by Earth standards but not by Elf ones. They all have castes. Blue green yellow orange grey purple red. Intercaste marriage is allowed everywhere except this one place, but it's rare. Out-of-caste work is allowed but can't be more than various small fractions of income over the space of a few months. Two to three percent of people hit their income cap. Some places do two-kids-per-family, some do auctioned credits, some do personally awarded permissions; the justifications for the latter two policies are explicitly eugenicist, plus places that auction credits like the resulting minimal in-caste wealth inequality. 

Anitam has six hundred million people. The capital is Lina; the city the door opens to is a quaint university town of nine million, called Kanah. They've been independent for thirty-six years, before which they were part of some since-defunct empire. They rate poorly on an international corruption index, well on an index of prosperity and social order. They do credits. There are existing social justice movements that favor a minimum wage, giving purples more of the vote, giving universities more money, income redistribution, not executing pregnant women if the prospective adoptive parents will pay the prison costs, letting oranges do sex work, and more regional control of workplace safety regulations.

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Jesus.

There's a lot of sighing.

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"Anything we can answer for you?" she asks after some particular sighing.

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"The last time I taught a planet summoning," he says, "I made a very particular point of rolling it out everywhere at once and not involving any governments."

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