"Humans hurry faster."

"We've been planning to take over our world for a long time. This sounds strictly easier- or you could collaborate on it, Miranda to notice humans things and someone with chip blessings for all the administrative work. Just - if you try to do it yourselves it will fall apart as soon as someone notices all of your laws are more like friendly suggestions."

"Collaborating would be good, I don't think even magic lets her run the place without help."

"I am assuming -"

"Yes, there are easily several thousand people who'd be happy to do the administration. -our way works -"

"Yes, you have astonishing organizational competence, it just works off a level of social trust that I can't quite fathom and that could get undermined-"

"When humans do high-trust environments like that they're usually tiny, context limited voluntary association things, or held together by hating some other people in concert or something. It doesn't just happen. And when they do happen they're vulnerable to exploitation when outsiders notice they exist."

"I can imagine everyone kind of writing off humans as not in expectation trustworthy enough to be worth giving important work."

"Humans can be trustworthy. There are some people you'd probably be completely appalled at who I trust and work with just fine. But if there's absolutely no incentive then no, you won't get cooperation just out of whole cloth."

"Are you still talking to that guy -"

"If I need him for anything."

"If it's reasonable to write off humans as untrustworthy it's reasonable to write off Elves as naive."

"We're trying. Okay. Presumably you don't need to literally imprison humans to get their compliance in most cases, what do you do, fines?"

"Sometimes, or revocation of license to do this or that, or in some times and places corporal punishment - my native time and place thinks that's barbaric but it has some proponents over prison on humanitarian grounds - community service, having to account for your whereabouts to officials, banishment..."

"That's not totally unconscionable - I should look how orcs handle things, orcs have a crime rate -"

"Orcs don't have the imprisonment thing either, do they, did they pick up the norm from you or for all you know could they lock people up for playing loud music when their neighbors are trying to sleep?"

Shiver. "I haven't ever been to Endorë, I suppose it's possible they could if they didn't do it to tourists. - Dwarves don't have a government at all."

"No? What do they do?"

"You - pay a company to arbitrate disputes you get involved in and make everyone whole? And if you get into disputes often you have to pay more. It works with Dwarves - it'd work with some Elves but not all -"

"...there are humans who would get very excited about that being a thing that works anywhere and is actually being practiced, but it's never been effectively implemented - it's possible most humans could slot into that system reasonably well if it was already established and running."

"It is established and works very well, as far as I know. They thought everyone else with their governments was very silly."

"It'd be worth a try if the Dwarves would have them, anyway. What do they do with people who are bad at producing value and expensive to have around?"

"If you're just bad at producing value I think your share of the land value taxes would cover you, most people really aren't expensive to cover. If you're bad at producing value and expensive - so getting into disputes a lot - and no one wants to pay for you then I think you end up having to leave."

"Some expensive humans are criminals but some of them are just sick or disabled."

"The Valar should be able to fix that."